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| ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > jc.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L || 2827 (from 236S) || -0.80 || All || {{clr|6|Very Easy}} || Easy Vanish confirm. | | ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > jc.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L || 2827 (from 236S) || -0.80 || All || {{clr|6|Very Easy}} || Easy Vanish confirm. | ||
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| ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > sjc.LML2H > jc.4LLM2H > j.214L || 2847 (from 236S) || -1 || All || {{clr| | | ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > sjc.LML2H > jc.4LLM2H > j.214L || 2847 (from 236S) || -1 || All || {{clr|5|Medium}} || Slightly more difficult Vanish confirm. | ||
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| ... > 665L (whiff) > 5LL > 5LLL > SD > j.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L || 2862 (from 236S) || -0.77 || All || {{clr|3|Easy}} || 5LLL Vanish confirm. | | ... > 665L (whiff) > 5LL > 5LLL > SD > j.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L || 2862 (from 236S) || -0.77 || All || {{clr|3|Easy}} || 5LLL Vanish confirm. | ||
Revision as of 06:39, 21 January 2024
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The majority of the combos on this page can have 5LL preceding them.
Midscreen
| Combo | Damage | Meter Gain | Works on: | Difficulty | Notes |
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| 2M > 5M > jc.MLL2H > SD > j.MLL2H > jc.LL2H > j.2S > j.214L | 4377 | ~1.20 | All | Very Easy | Midscreen BNB. Do j.LLL instead of j.LL2Hat the end for extra corner carry. |
| 2M > 5M > jc.MLL2H > SD > j.MLL2H > jc.LLL > j.2H (whiff) > j.2S ▷ 236M > (Assist) > ... | 4185 | ~1.15 | All | Very Easy | A combo which sets up pressure. Positions Vegeta for j.2S to connect if they tech back or in place, and 236M afterward frametraps anything that isn't invincible frame 1. |
| 236H > 214M > 214S > 214L+M | 2175 [4801] | -3.5 | All | Very Easy | Super confirm is optional, [ ] is damage with the super, 214M is the most damage you can get off 236H without spending more meter. |
| 236H > 236M > Vanish > ... | 2440 | -1.5 | All | Very Easy | Confirm into vanish off 236H. |
| ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > jc.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L | 2827 (from 236S) | -0.80 | All | Very Easy | Easy Vanish confirm. |
| ... > Vanish > 662M > 5M > sjc.LML2H > jc.4LLM2H > j.214L | 2847 (from 236S) | -1 | All | Medium | Slightly more difficult Vanish confirm. |
| ... > 665L (whiff) > 5LL > 5LLL > SD > j.LL2H > jc.LL2H > j.214L | 2862 (from 236S) | -0.77 | All | Easy | 5LLL Vanish confirm. |
| ... > 665L (whiff) > 5LL > 5LLL > 214M[6] > 214S > 214L+M | 4260 (from 236S) | -3.80 | All | Easy | 5LLL Vanish confirm into juiced level 3. |
Corner
| Combo | Damage | Meter Gain | Works on: | Difficulty | Notes |
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| 2H > SD > j.MS, [j.L > delay j.L > j.S] * x | 4967 | ~1.55 | All | Medium | Basegeta's good old classic ki blast loop! 2H is the easiest starter to learn it as you get the most loops possible from that starter, up to 5 (though 4 is what's usually most reliable to do). If you're having trouble, scroll down for a tutorial on this specific combo. |
| 2M > 5M > jc > j.M2H > SD > j.MS, [j.L > delay j.L > j.S] * 3, j.LL2H > jc > j.LLL | 4967 | ~1.55 | All | Medium | A combo featuring the ki blast loop. If combo scaling is too high, do 2 loops instead of 3. |
| 5M > 2M > 5H > 236S > j.LL > jc.M > j.5S > j.LL > j.S > j.LL > delayed j.S > LAND 5L > 5S > 5H > SD > j.M > delayed j.S > LAND 5LLL > 236M | 5600 | ~2 | All | Medium | Modern DBFZ requires modern loops. Optimal solo SKD combo. Disc extension into modern ki blast loops means less delays. (still, mind the ones that exist here!) |
| 5M > 2M > 5H > 236S > j.LL > j.5S > j.LL > delayed j.S > land 5L > 5H > 236S > j.LL > j.5S > j.LL > j.2H > jc.LLL > Assist > j.DR | 5845 | ~2 | All | Easy | Alternate loops off 5LL, with an assist and SKD. Only one delay here. |
| 5M > 2M > 236M > 2M > [5H > SD > j.MS > 5L]*2 > 5LLL > 214M | 5022 | ~1.51 | All | Easy | Old 5H loops. Slightly more meter gain than the classic loops. No real reason to do these, but it helps to know this route to understand Vegeta's combo theory. |
| 5L/2L > 5M > 2M > 236M > 2M > 5M > jc.ML > jc.MS, j.LLS, j.LL delay S > 5L > 5S(2) > 5H > SD > j.MS > 5LLL > 214M | (4205) 5609 | (~2.1) 1.99 | All | Hard | A variation of the modern loop using 5L/2L and 236M smash as a starter. This only works with an L starter, meaning if you do 2L > 5L or 5LL, they will pop out at the end. Not optimal, but fun to do. Example here: https://streamable.com/jdlltj |
| DR(tap) > j.MS, [j.L > dl~j.LL > j.S]*3, j.LL2H > jc > j.LLL | 3507 | ~2.1 | All | Hard | Only tap dragon rush once during the animation. You want to have it say 27 hits. If you hold it and get 30 hits you can only loop twice instead of three times (damage is only 3402).
If connecting the j.MS is too hard, you can use j.LS. Damage will be 3417 instead. |
| DR(hold) > j.ML > j.2H > j.LL > j.S > j.L > delay j.L > j.S > j.LLL | 3250 | 1.8 | All | Easy | Easier DR combo. Lets you hold DR. |
Sparking
This is a wormhole you will get sucked into, have fun.
| Combo | Position | Damage | Meter Gain | Works on: | Difficulty | Notes |
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| 2H > Sparking! > 2M > 5H > 2H > 214M > Assist > ... | Corner | ? | ? | All | High damage ToD starter. | |
| 236L > Sparking! > 2M > 5H > delay 214M > Assist > 2M > 5H > jc.MS > airdash > j.LS > 2M > 5H > jc.MS > airdash > j.LS > 5LL > sjc.LL2H > jc.MH > Assist > j.DR or DR > 214S > Supers | Anywhere | TOD | ? | All | Medium | Roundstart TOD. 0 bar requirement with the right supers. |
| 2M > 5H > 236S > Sparking! > 2H > j.214M > Assist 1/2 > 2M > 5H > 3S > sjc.MS > airdash > j.MS > 2M > 5(S) > 5H > jc.LL2H jc.LLL > Assist 1 + j.2H > j.H + Assist 2 > DR/j.DR > 214S > Supers | Corner | TOD | ~2 bar positive | All | Easy | Easy guard cancel/reflect/walkout punish ToD. |
| 2H > 214M > Sparking! > 2M > 5H > 3S > sjc.MS > airdash > j.MS > 2M > 5H > 3S > sjc.MS > airdash > j.MS > 2M > 5H > jc.LL2H jc.LLL > Assist 1 + j.2H > j.H + Assist 2 > DR/j.DR > 214S > Lvl 1 > Lvl 3 | Corner | TOD | ~.675 bar positive | All | Easy | Easy 2H ToD punish on wakeup SD during your j.1S oki. |
Assist
| Combo | Position | Damage | Meter Gain | Works on: | Difficulty | Notes |
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| ... > 214M > Assist > j.DR > 214S > Super | Corner | ? | ? | All | Slightly boosts Base Vegeta's corner damage. |
Combo Theory
Base Vegeta excels in converting hits into larger combos than usual, but doesn't get much midscreen aside from ending in j.5LL > j.2H > j.2S > 214L for extra damage before a knockdown when a combo doesn't have heavy hitstun scaling. The corner is where this character opens up combo-wise.
If you want to Z-Tag him out, you're typically going to use 236L to do so. If ypu hit 236H > 236M, it's a good choice to Z-Tag to another character there too.
LLS Ki blast Loop
Base Vegeta's ki blasts have a unique property where they don't affect Vegeta's gravity, leading to j.5L > j.5L > j.5S loops. Landing those and mastering the unique delays in the strings for each situation is essential for Base Vegeta, as they also come with a sliding knockdown, set up okizeme, do good damage, and build good meter.
How to do the classic loop
- Right as you hit the smash starter that sends Vegeta and the opponent upward, hit MS, should be easy.
- Hit j.5L. This is the tightest part of the combo.
- Delay the second j.5L so that Vegeta physically dips below the opponent before that second light comes out. This is a fairly lenient delay, but it needs to be enough so where Vegeta visibly comes back up after a slight fall due to the auto combo tracking.
- Instantly input j.5S.
- Instantly repeat steps 2-5 for however many loops you want to go for, probably 2-3.
If you're having trouble with the visual of Vegeta dipping, this method may work for learning the loop as well, which relies on a metronome instead of a visual:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Exx4fDz_c
Each delay, or lack of, does something different in the combo, as shown in the chart below.
Once you understand the timing for the loop, you will start to make adjustments based on Vegeta's position mid-combo, potentially saving it from a drop.
| Button Presses | Effects |
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| jL delay LS | Maintains Height |
| jLLS | Gains Height |
| jLL delay S | Loses Height |
5H > Disc Ki Blast Loops
Vegeta's more optimal corner loops differ from his classic ones in that there are less delays and slightly more damage + meter gain. This doesn't invalidate the classic loops; Vegeta still needs them whenever he needs to do a loop high up in the air, which encompasses plenty of situations.
His newer loops rely on the height loss from j.5L > j.5L > delayed j.5S, allowing him to land earlier than he would without a delay in the ki blast. This then lets Vegeta extend with 5L into things like 5S and 5H, or 5LLL.
Midscreen Ki Blast Loop
Some character's assists give Base Vegeta Ki Blast loops midscreen. Here's a doc of all the characters that can with demonstrations: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JS6TkCt4GrBwiX4L5QYZAiS5b-qicLHCLGTpgnrPkdA/edit
These are extremely cool and give a lot of corner carry, but are extremely finnicky and precise to the point that many don't do them. It's the same input as the classic loop. Happy midscreen looping if you choose to go down this rabbit hole.
Video Examples
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