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Gotenks is a character that likes to get up in your face and make you block for a very, very long time - and he can open you up very easily off of it. He's very strange to play at first, but once you figure him out, you'll find a bunch of crazy mixups for both him *and* his team off of his A assist, as well as some very strong tools all-around such as his 236HS super, which sets up what is referred to as "Ghost Oki". Because of these tools, Gotenks can be a character that can constantly keep your opponent on their toes, guessing when and how they should be blocking something, and even if it's their turn to do anything. He can really force your opponent to be afraid, and you can take full advantage of that with his plethora of tools that'll control where the opponent goes and how you keep them down. He can even still utilize post-snap okizeme, a rarity in Season 3. However, Gotenks has to *get in* first. While this definitely isn't an issue for him, he can still struggle with it due to some stubby tools that can make it difficult if the opponent spaces themselves correctly. Moreover, Gotenks often needs resources to get his game started, such as meter or assists, sometimes both. Despite these flaws, he's still able to output some very scary situations for the opponent to be in and can be an absolute monster when he's in his best scenario, as well as having some strong support value due to his assist lineup.

Gotenks is the character for people who like constant rushdown and pressure, with many ways to keep the opponent guessing and/or blocking once they get the hit.
Playstyle
Gotenks hits strong and fast. His range is lacking due to his short limbs, but once he's in range, he can put pressure on his opponents and force them to go on the defensive.
Pros Cons
  • Pressure Monster: strong mixup and pressure game, many of his specials are safe on block and can lead to tricky resets, as well as being able to set up very long blockstrings that can be mixed up in various different ways. 236H is +1 on block, allowing him to maintain pressure solo.
  • Small Stature: Gotenks' small frame can make it so certain combos do not work on him, and can help him avoid certain moves
  • Powerful Assists: Gotenks' assists are very powerful, all offering different things but all very good at what they do, giving him incredible support value on any team no matter the assist.
  • Okizeme: Gotenks has incredible okizeme with 236H+S, allowing Gotenks to set up incredible pressure or reset scenarios for 1 bar.
  • Snap Pressure: Gotenks is one of the few characters in season 3 to still have post-snap oki thanks to 214H, which allows him to still keep opponents in check with it.
  • Corner carry: With his rejumps, Gotenks can easily drag an opponent from corner to corner to set up Ghost Oki and/or DHC synergy.
  • Poor Tracking: Assist A is not great in neutral, as it's tracking is rather lackluster, which also may hurt it in certain midscreen blockstrings. Also has a skill floor, requiring a bit of labbing to implement in a team.
  • Small Buttons: Being small is a double-edged sword. His buttons are a bit stubby, they can easily whiff or be beaten out.
  • Resource Hungry: Two of his better pressure tools require meter, which can cause him to burn a lot of meter. Mixups without 236H+S or assists present can be a little weak.

Special Canceling

Many of Gotenks' Special Moves can be canceled into one another. While this isn't exclusive to Gotenks, there is one unique property regarding his special cancelation.

When Miracle Super PunchDBFZ Gotenks MiracleSuperPunch.pngGuard:
All
Startup:
9
Recovery:
16
Advantage:
-2
or the spinning portion of Great Special Rolling KickDBFZ Gotenks GreatSpecialRollingKick-2.pngGuard:
All
Startup:
10
Recovery:
19
Advantage:
-5
is canceled on hit, there will be a hitbox connecting them to the next attack. This facilitating hitbox has startup of 1F, deals 10 damage, and has ground bounce property. This doesn't affect combo scaling and the extra damage is insignificant, but it serves to make Gotenks combos easier, as well as enabling a few advanced routes utilizing the ground bounce.

Normal Moves

5L

Version Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
5L 400 All 6 3 12 -3
5LL 700 All 10 3 18 -5
5LLL 1000 All U3+ 14 (22 if 5LL whiffed) 9 25 0 (in air)
  • 6 frame jab.
  • Good recovery, good for staggers.

Standard 5L poke with a good hitbox. Used for starting pressure and is your standard grounded poke.


  • Blockstring and combo filler.
  • -5 on block, good for staggers.

5LL has a strong hitbox and forward momentum. Useful in pressure and can be decent in neutral scrambles. Do not use this if 5L is reflected. You will die for it.


  • Recovers in the air.
  • Cancelling immediately is grounded, delaying the cancel slightly leaves Gotenks airborne.

5LLL's frame data is deceptive, this move has a lot of blockstun that you can take advantage of by canceling into specials. On hit it's a great optimal combo to follow up into Galactic Donut. On block, can be covered with Ghost Oki or an assist for a mixup.

While not as ambiguous as Hold Beam, you can IAD shortly after it connects for a high/low mixup, or backdash 6S to punish your opponent's 2H. This is best used sparingly as there are clear answers to both options. It's best to cover up the 3rd hit with an assist to allow Gotenks to go for a high/low with very little risk involved, though it does burn the assist.

5M

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
700 All 9 6 16 -6
  • Can be a stagger point, but technically punishable on block.
  • Important for combos due to it's jump cancel.
  • Can be up to -1 on block if spaced.

Standard 5M with decent forward momentum but nothing to write home about. Mostly a combo tool instead of a neutral tool.

5H

(Hold OK)

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
850 [1275] All U1 13 [40] 6 18 -8 [+1]
  • 5H > 5S generally has great frame advantage and can be up to 0 on block at max 5H range.
  • Leads to above average damage with rejumps, but does not allow for sliding knockdown.
  • [] is fully charged.

Gotenks' strongest grounded normal. Has great forward momentum and a solid hitbox, but loses strongly to aerial approaches.

If charged fully it is +1, does increased damage, and causes a strong wall bounce midscreen. Use the charged version sparingly as the startup is massive and the reward is minimal. The advantage on block is dependent on the distance Gotenks was before 5H. An uncharged 5H at its maximum distance can be up to -3 on block. A fully charged 5H at its maximum distance can be up to +6 on block.

5S

(Hold OK)

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
350×1~4 All 14 25 -4
  • Can be repeated up to four times.

Your standard Ki Blast, not too much different from how other characters use it. Good for long range pokes. Gotenks also has easy ways around Ki Blasts himself with his 214X moves, which helps against characters that can out-zone him on the ground.

2L

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
400 Low 7 3 13 -4
  • Fast low for pressure.
  • Good stagger tool.

Gotenks' primary grounded mixup tool. Most often used in blockstrings as it's small size makes it a poor neutral tool.

2M

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
700 Low 11 6 17 -7
  • 5L > 2M or 2L > 2M is anti reflect when used point blank

Important tool as it's the most forward momentum Gotenks has on a normal (aside from charge 5H), but still not to be pressed in neutral. Can be used as a stagger point, but it's on the dangerous side being -7.

2H

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
850 All U1+ 14 7 25+L -16 4-16 Head
  • Unusually high reward due to rejumps.
  • Hits high and on both sides of Gotenks.

Very slow 2H, but with a lot of active frames. Mostly used to punish aerial approaches and super dashes. This move whiffs hard, so make sure it's going to hit if you throw it out. Cancels into air special moves, but all that means is you can't cancel into 214S.

Will occasionally hit people who try to vanish behind him due to the lasting hitbox

6M

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
850 High 24 6 4+6L
  • Standard overhead.

j.L

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
300×3 High [All] 7 1(3)1(3)1
  • Very active. You can usually just throw it out there.
  • Once a hit has been blocked, the remaining hits can be blocked low.

Amazing air-to-air option, probably his best. On block, it is very easy to just drag your opponent down to the ground and either continue pressure or reset them with a Dragon Rush.

j.M

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
700 High 9 3
  • Weak hitbox, but high active frames.

Mostly hits above him, useful as an air-to-air on opponents higher than you. Decent as a mixup tool but not all that great overall as it's overshadowed by it's heavier cousin as a jump-in.

j.H

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
850 / 1000 High D1+ [D3+] 13 6
  • Smash hit causes a sliding knockdown

Incredible hitbox and priority, can hit crouching opponents from almost apex of normal jump height. Standard combo ender and Air to Ground neutral tool.

The move brings Gotenks to the ground more quickly, allowing for extremely ambiguous mix ups.

j.S

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
600 All 15 Total 32+3L
  • Pushes Gotenks back.
  • Hold 6 to roll forward.

j.S[6] is very useful for certain assist extensions and super jump combos, as the roll allows him to link into j.L.

j.2H

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
850 All U1+ 13 4
  • Standard combo extender, jump cancellable.

Vital for combos as it leads to the most damage Gotenks can get while keeping Sliding Knockdown. Nothing to write home about but it gets the job done. Usually outshined by j.214M in the corner.

Special Moves

Miracle Super Punch

236L/M/H (Air & Hold OK)

Version Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
236L 100×4 All 9 {2(2)}×3, 2 16 -2
236M 50×8 All 9 {2(2)}×7, 2 12 whiff ~ +3
236H 50×8 All 9 {2(2)}×7, 2 12 +1
All Version
  • [] is on hold.
  • Can cancel into other special moves on whiff or hit, including itself. Moves cancelled into will be their air versions, and you can cancel as soon as the hitbox comes out.
  • Deals above average chip damage.
  • Moves forward.

236L
  • Moves forward.

Mostly blockstring filler. Good frame advantage at -2, allowing you to safely backdash away.


236M
  • Moves in an arc as if Gotenks jumps forward.
  • Although has 16 maximum hits, Gotenks will stop punching once he touches the ground.
  • Plus on block.
  • Allows air actions afterwards but adds landing recovery.

Yeah, it's plus, but not really worth going for. There's a gap because of how it moves that leaves it vulnerable to getting 2H'd. Your opponent should not be letting you get away with this move.


236H
  • Partial held does 16 hits.
  • Can control speed with left and right, holding left makes you go less distance while holding right sends you much further.
  • Can combo into 5L.

Really good in blockstrings, as it is the only plus on block move in the entire game that can be performed gaplessly from a blockstring with no strings attached. It's also pretty good at catching Superdashes, but this depends on positioning. The air version has no landing recovery, so you can use it after using another special on whiff to avoid said recovery frames. Due to the speed, it can also be helpful to allow you to try and escape the corner by doing 236H[6].

Great Special Rolling Kick

214L/M/H (Air OK)

Version Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
214L 40×7, 600 All 10 14 (8) 2 19 -5 10-23 P1
214M 40×11, 800 All U1+ 10 22 (8) 2 18 (airborne) 10-31 P1
214H 40×11, 800 All U1+ 10 56 (8) 2 18 -4 (airborne) 10-55 P1
j.214L 40×7, 500 All 8 Until Landing (8) 2 19 -5 8-Landing P1
j.214M 40×11, 600 All U1+ 8 22 (8) 2 18 -4 (airborne) 8-29 P1
j.214H 40×11, 600 All U1+ 8 83 (8) 2 18 -4 (airborne) 8-90 P1
All Versions
  • Deflect Ki Blasts and have head property.
  • All versions can be cancelled into other special moves on whiff or hit, including itself. You can cancel as soon as the hitbox for the move comes out. Moves cancelled into will be their air versions.
  • Air versions can only be used once in the air.

L Versions
  • Ground version hops forward very fast.
  • Air version spins diagonally downward. Stops spinning once Gotenks lands or if he gets all 7 hits in.

Ground version can be used as a lariat, and with assists you can convert off of it. Not a great roundstart because it connects on frame 17. Most things will stuff it..

Air versions can set up for advanced rejumps. Can be good for getting to the ground quickly as well, though you still suffer the recovery. Not as useful as it's grounded version in terms of neutral but makes a wicked fake crossup.


M Versions
  • Spins in an arc upward.
  • Last kick wall bounces in the corner if Smash hasn't been used.
  • Allows for air actions afterwards but adds landing recovery.
  • Usful for very damaging combo routes in the corner

Can set up a left/right mixup by cancelling into 214H. Great combo filler as it enables j.H's sliding knockdown and therefore Ghost Oki.


H Versions
  • Without additional inputs, will slowly move straight forward.
  • Can be directed with 8 2 4 6. This gives Gotenks extreme high mobility.
  • Last kick wall bounces in the corner if Smash hasn't been used.

Really good tool to annoy your opponent in neutral, however, it is unsafe and can not be used to reset pressure like 236H can. Gotenks can airdash or double jump once it is done. It can also be used to get you out of a corner situation if you can somehow pull it off, or just using it as a general retreat/stall tactic. Gotenks can only go so high with the move though, so be careful.

Vengeful Shout

236S (Air & Hold OK)

Version Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
236S 262×5 All 17 25 20+L -16+L
j.236S 262×5 All 17 25 21
  • Gotenks leaps into the air and fires a beam from his mouth.
  • 236[S] will feign the beam. Feign has 7 frames of landing recovery.

Useful tool for Gotenks in neutral, while it isn't as good as Super Saiyan Goku's Kamehameha, it still is nice to have, especially because it is air OK. Can be useful for catching buttons from afar, or just to keep pressure on from full/midscreen. Still is somewhat slow though, so try not to get too reliant on this one.

Feign beam can bait out reflects, but it will lose to most 5L/5Ms, so try to use it with caution. Getting too predictable with it can lead you to getting blown up very easily. It also has landing recovery, making it difficult to use as anything other than a pressure reset.

Galactic Donuts

214S

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
600×2 All U2+ 29 1 (29) 1 3 +5
  • Gotenks forms a ring that appears around the opponent as well before binding them with it.
  • Tracks the opponent, it will spawn where they are when the input comes out.
  • "Beats" super dash should it ever hits.
  • Holding up during the move causes the donut to move upwards, allowing you to catch opponents who might jump out of it. Not entirely that useful, but it's something.
  • Can cancel into other special moves as soon as the 2nd hit connects.
  • You can get a superdash followup just by pressing S as the second hit connects.

Can have some applications in some weird blockstrings that take advantage of your opponent being focused solely on defense. It can beat some buttons as well, as mashing 5L will most likely lose to donut, but will lose to most reversals. Some buttons will even trade, and most will just hit Gotenks right out of it, such as 2M. Some will whiff (SSJ Vegeta 214H), but this is small compared to the amount of them that will hit Gotenks out of it. However, it is plus, so if you can perhaps scare your opponent into doing nothing but blocking, you might be able to get away with this. You can space this pretty well so that you might not get hit with 5H in blockstrings as well, so with that it functions well as a sort of blockstring reset, but it comes with some weaknesses as well. Use with caution.

In combos, it ends up being a lot more useful. While tracking is somewhat messy for some other options, it will always connect after Gotenks' 5LLL, and you can either cancel it into 236LM (or 236HS for some cool corner combos) or get an easy superdash followup. It's a very strong option for post-vanish combos anywhere on the screen, as it allows him to extend his damage.

DIE DIE Missile Barrage

j.214S

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
130×12 All 12 [1(5)] *11, 1 36+5L
  • Gotenks fires a series of Ki blasts similar to Vegeta's Air Consecutive Energy Blast.
  • Can be superdashed/reflected on block.

Does slightly more damage than j.214X in level 3 combos, but that's about all it's useful for. You can't really stop superdash with anything other than lvl3 and there are far better uses for your meter when playing Gotenks.

Z Assists

Assist A

Galactic Donuts

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
450, 315 All 48 1(30)1 +46
  • Great combo extension tool.
  • Incredibly high blockstun.

On hit, will bind the opponent and hold them in place for an elongated period of time. This can be very useful as a means to expand combos, especially in the air, and has incredible utility in mix-ups and resets with its whopping 46 frames of blockstun.

It can also be useful in neutral but the tracking is poor. Quick movement can dodge this assist so you'll have to use it in more specific situations.

Assist B

Miracle Super Punch

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
190, 133x5 All 26 21 +40
  • Incredibly strong combo and pressure tool.
  • Give the gift of Hands.
  • Has Head property, making it hard to use to cover your landings.

Yamcha A assist, but on Gotenks. Neatly covers all the bases that Assist A does not, as it's helpful for characters that don't rely on blockstun as much. Sadly it's still not a true neutral assist, but it covers a good amount of the screen for how fast it is. Can stuff superdash.

Assist C

Vengeful Shout

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
200, 140×4, 280 All 33 [20] +30
  • Beam assist.
  • On hit, adds a strike that knocks the opponent back towards you.
  • Values in [ ] is when the opponent is in hitstun/untech.

Completes the holy trinity of assists. Having a beam assist, C Assist or not, fills the last niche that A and B do not.

While you give up some of the blockstring potential that A and B have due to having slightly less plus frames to work with, the neutral potential for this is strong, especially due to this beam allowing for explosive damage on hit if you play your cards right. Keep in mind that because it is a C assist, it will be available less often, so it can be a bit of a detriment if it doesn't actually end up hitting the opponent, either on block or on hit. Despite this, it is still a very legitimate assist choice. Play this with characters that need the help in neutral or can get a ton of mileage from a C Assist.

Super Moves

L+M Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack

236L+M

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
400×6 All 9+4 [1(9)] *6 -30
  • Gotenks spits out 6 ghosts, which immediately home in on and explode on the opponent.
  • Minimum damage: 120*6 (720)

Somewhat low damage for a super, as well as it's speed being a bit of a detriment as it can tend to whiff midscreen, but with a Z-Change into a faster super, the ghosts can connect easily. Certain characters can get a Dragon Rush off of their super with ghosts, such as Tien or Videl.

H+S Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack

236H+S

Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
600×4 All 57 Total +20 (per Ghost)
  • Gotenks spits out 4 ghosts, taunting the opponent as he does.
  • Minimum damage: 180*4 (720)
  • All 4 ghosts stay in place until the corresponding button is released, allowing you to do blockstrings and combos with the ghosts covering any opening.
  • Ghosts will wait for inputs for about 4 seconds before attacking by themselves.
  • Ghosts are affected by negative edge, which can be buffered by holding buttons during the super animation. This allows Gotenks to throw out the ghosts without having to actually use a button, at the cost of not having the button available.

Very strong tool for Gotenks, both for combos and for pressure. For combos, it allows Gotenks to set up solo snap and additional damage, and for pressure, it gives him a lot of freedom to work with and mix you up in ways that leave you constantly guessing and afraid of the ghosts. They can beat vanish on wakeup, as they will simply teleport into the ghosts, so it's useful for that as well. Usually Gotenks' best option post-sliding knockdown, even midscreen as he can superdash with ghosts to force the opponent to block, giving him a somewhat free approach option.

Charging Ultra Volleyball

214L+M (Air OK) or 214H+S (Air OK)

Version Damage Guard Smash Startup Active Recovery On-Block Invuln
214L+M 3930 All 9+3 -30
j.214L+M 3930 All 9+3
  • Costs 3 bars.
  • Minimum damage: 120, 140*3, 1120 (1660)
  • Beats level 2 projectiles but loses to level 3 projectiles.
  • If performed with Piccolo on your team, he will help out, and then complain about helping out after the move.

Great ender for Gotenks, especially in his air strings. It's easy to hit due to him being able to cancel 236x into either 214x or 214S, and then cancelling that into this, which gives him great damage. His meter build in general isn't bad either, so he can use this somewhat often. His oki afterwards isn't bad either. However, the oki can be changeable, due to Gotenks's interesting Level 3 gimmick that changes his plus frames depending on which button or special you inputted before the Level Three (Will be listed). Great damage, easy to combo into, and good oki make this a stellar tool for Gotenks. If you want to get some explosive damage to make a hit count, this is absolutely your ender to go to.

[236S to Level 3: +34; 236X (L, M, H) to Level 3: +34; Any Face Button (L, M, H) except 5S/6S to Level 3: +34; 5S/6S to Level 3: +31; 214X to Level 3: +29; 214S to Level 3: +27]

[Direct Z Change, SKD, and DHC to Level 3: +34; 214X - 236X to Level 3: +27; 236X/214X - 236S to Level 3: +34]

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