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{{Combo Notation|game=BBCF|additional= | {{Combo Notation|game=BBCF|additional= | ||
: ''' | : '''m''' - Refers to an attack while holding the Mantenbou. i.e. {{clr|B|5B}}m | ||
:''' | :'''e''' - Refers to an attack while empty handed. i.e. {{clr|C|5C}}e | ||
:'''"Staff1/2"''' The first/second hit of the staff launch | :'''"Staff1/2"''' The first/second hit of the staff launch | ||
:'''Tsubame''' or '''DP''' = | :'''Tsubame''' or '''DP''' = Tsubame Gaeshi {{clr|D|623D}}m | ||
:''' | :'''Itsuu{{clr|A|A}}/{{clr|B|B}}/{{clr|C|C}}/{{clr|D|D}}''' or '''Ikkitsuukan''' = {{clr|A|41236A}}/{{clr|B|B}}/{{clr|C|C}}, D to cancel stance. | ||
:'''4/6Kote''' or '''Kote Gaeshi''' = | :'''4/6Kote''' or '''Kote Gaeshi''' = Kote Gaeshi {{clr|D|421D}}/{{clr|D|623D}}e | ||
:'''Daisharin(Overdrive)''' = {{clr|A|A}}+{{clr|B|B}}+{{clr|C|C}}+{{clr|D|D}} | :'''Daisharin(Overdrive)''' = {{clr|A|A}}+{{clr|B|B}}+{{clr|C|C}}+{{clr|D|D}} | ||
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'''Popular staffed Launchers''' | '''Popular staffed Launchers''' | ||
*{{clr|C|2C}} | *{{clr|C|2C}}m | ||
*{{clr|C|3C}} | *{{clr|C|3C}}m | ||
*{{clr|A|41236A}} | *{{clr|A|41236A}}m | ||
*{{clr|B|4B}} | *{{clr|B|4B}}m | ||
'''Launcher (i.e 2Cm into {{clr|D|6D}}/{{clr|C|3C}})/ Air Hit > {{clr|B|214B}} > ({{clr|A|236A}}/dash {{clr|C|6C}}(2)) > {{clr|B|236B}}''' | '''Launcher (i.e 2Cm into {{clr|D|6D}}/{{clr|C|3C}})/ Air Hit > {{clr|B|214B}} > ({{clr|A|236A}}/dash {{clr|C|6C}}(2)) > {{clr|B|236B}}''' | ||
This is one of Litchi's most integral combo segments. It's very important to remember because of its usefulness. This works for her anywhere on the screen and allows her to convert off her staffed normals in practically any situation. The 'launcher' portion is just any of her common moves that put the opponent airborne, which also means that if you so happen to already have the opponent in the air, you can continue as usual. After performing {{clr|B|214B}}(B Ren Chan) you would typically follow up with either {{clr|A|236A}} if the opponent is low to the ground or with {{clr|C|6C}} | This is one of Litchi's most integral combo segments. It's very important to remember because of its usefulness. This works for her anywhere on the screen and allows her to convert off her staffed normals in practically any situation. The 'launcher' portion is just any of her common moves that put the opponent airborne, which also means that if you so happen to already have the opponent in the air, you can continue as usual. After performing {{clr|B|214B}}(B Ren Chan) you would typically follow up with either {{clr|A|236A}} if the opponent is low to the ground or with {{clr|C|6C}}e if the combo starter wasn't too bad and you can dash up in time for it. In many cases, it's best to omit {{clr|A|236A}}/{{clr|C|6C}}(2) if the opponent is relatively high or you've performed several attacks leading up to this point. Going straight to {{clr|B|236B}} is often the most stable course of action at this point. Moving forward we get to.... | ||
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'''{{clr|A|j.63214A}} > (optional A if proration/spacing allows) > B(Hatsu looking follow up off the staff) > land {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > 5/{{clr|D|2[D]}} (hold D) > {{clr|C|6C}}(2) > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > ]D[ (release D) {{clr|C|j.236C}} > land staff 2(staff connects before it returns to you) > {{clr|C|6C}} | '''{{clr|A|j.63214A}} > (optional A if proration/spacing allows) > B(Hatsu looking follow up off the staff) > land {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > 5/{{clr|D|2[D]}} (hold D) > {{clr|C|6C}}(2) > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > ]D[ (release D) {{clr|C|j.236C}} > land staff 2(staff connects before it returns to you) > {{clr|C|6C}}e(1) > {{clr|D|623D}} (DP ender)''' | ||
This combo piece continues straight off the previous piece's last part (hatsu). You can special cancel Hatsu into Riichi which can then lead into Ippatsu's follow ups while on the staff. The A follow up is mostly optional and often times not capable of connecting, so it is almost always omitted unless spacing/proration is allowed for it (also being in the corner helps a lot). IppatsuB is your standard follow up afterwards, followed by a series of 6Cs while holding {{clr|D|5D}}. I typically recommend delaying your 6Cs to allow the opponent to fall a little lower to help allow the rest of the combo to connect smoothly. At the {{clr|C|6C}}(2) portion, you are to special cancel it into {{clr|B|j.236B}}, followed by a delayed release of the staff into a slight delayed {{clr|C|j.236C}}. If you delay properly, you often won't even need to manually release D yourself. But, its super important to get accustomed to manually releasing the staff as your release timing is often dependant on your screen position as being in proximity to the corner changes its return timing. Its important to include delays to make sure that your opponent isn't too high for the {{clr|C|j.236C}} as that can be an issue. After landing from {{clr|C|j.236C}}, all you have to do is move forward and hit {{clr|C|6C}}(1) and special cancel the first hit into {{clr|D|623D}} and thats it. | This combo piece continues straight off the previous piece's last part (hatsu). You can special cancel Hatsu into Riichi which can then lead into Ippatsu's follow ups while on the staff. The A follow up is mostly optional and often times not capable of connecting, so it is almost always omitted unless spacing/proration is allowed for it (also being in the corner helps a lot). IppatsuB is your standard follow up afterwards, followed by a series of 6Cs while holding {{clr|D|5D}}. I typically recommend delaying your 6Cs to allow the opponent to fall a little lower to help allow the rest of the combo to connect smoothly. At the {{clr|C|6C}}(2) portion, you are to special cancel it into {{clr|B|j.236B}}, followed by a delayed release of the staff into a slight delayed {{clr|C|j.236C}}. If you delay properly, you often won't even need to manually release D yourself. But, its super important to get accustomed to manually releasing the staff as your release timing is often dependant on your screen position as being in proximity to the corner changes its return timing. Its important to include delays to make sure that your opponent isn't too high for the {{clr|C|j.236C}} as that can be an issue. After landing from {{clr|C|j.236C}}, all you have to do is move forward and hit {{clr|C|6C}}(1) and special cancel the first hit into {{clr|D|623D}} and thats it. | ||
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Example routes: | Example routes: | ||
*Anything > OD > [{{clr|C|6C}} {{clr|D|3D}}] | *Anything > OD > [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] x N | ||
Super critical combo piece and the core of her OD combos. [{{clr|C|6C}} {{clr|D|3D}}] | Super critical combo piece and the core of her OD combos. [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] x N is the meat and potatoes of her OD routes. | ||
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Standard combo enders post {{clr|D|3D}} commonly involve: | Standard combo enders post {{clr|D|3D}} commonly involve: | ||
*{{clr|C|6C}}e(1) > DP | |||
*EA | |||
*OD Chinroutou | |||
2. EA | '''Anything > OD > (Haku) Hatsu Chun > {{clr|D|3D}} > [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] x N > ender''' | ||
:Very straight forward combo into mostly optimal damage involving OD typically off a confirm where Litchi is out of {{clr|C|6C}}e(1)'s range. The number of repetitions of [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] possible depends on Litchi's health: | |||
*1 rep is possible at 100% health. | |||
*2 reps are possible at 62% health. | |||
*3 reps are possible at 34% health. | |||
The combo ender of choice depends on what to prioritise. {{clr|C|6C}}e(1) > DP deals the least damage, but ends with a vertical staff set on top of the opponent. EA deals slightly more damage, but ends without a staff set. Chinroutou deals the most damage, but costs 50 Heat and ends with the opponent 3/4 of a screen away (unless done in the corner) and no staff set. | |||
'''Anything > OD > (Haku) Hatsu Chun > {{clr|D|3D}} > {{clr|A|6A}}e > {{clr|D|3D}} charged Kanchan into [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] x N OR DP ender OR Chinroutou OR EA''' | |||
'''Anything > OD > (Haku) Hatsu Chun > {{clr|D|3D}}> {{clr|A|6A}} {{clr|D|3D}} charged Kanchan into [{{clr|C|6C}} {{clr|D|3D}}]x N OR DP ender OR Chinroutou OR EA''' | |||
:Side switch combo with various options depending on OD duration. | :Side switch combo with various options depending on OD duration. | ||
'''Far confirm (i.e max range 3Cm) > OD > OD Ryuuisou > into [{{clr|C|6C}} {{clr|D|3D}}]x N/DP/Chinroutou/DP/''' | '''Far confirm (i.e max range 3Cm) > OD > OD Ryuuisou > into [{{clr|C|6C}}e(2) > {{clr|D|3D}}] x N/DP/Chinroutou/DP/''' | ||
:Typical 100% meter OD combo for relatively big damage quickly. | |||
==Combo List== | ==Combo List== | ||
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:*Basic throw combo. Sets up staff launch for you to pressure afterwards. Back throw requires dash {{clr|B|5B}} to make {{clr|B|214B}} connect. | :*Basic throw combo. Sets up staff launch for you to pressure afterwards. Back throw requires dash {{clr|B|5B}} to make {{clr|B|214B}} connect. | ||
'''{{clr|B|B}}+{{clr|C|C}} > {{clr|B|214B}} > {{clr|B|236B}} > {{clr|A|63214A}}-AB > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > [D] > microdash {{clr|C|6C}}(2) > {{clr|B|236B}} > ]D[ > Staff1 > {{clr|C|236C}} > (microdash) > Staff2 > {{clr|B|4B}} | '''{{clr|B|B}}+{{clr|C|C}} > {{clr|B|214B}} > {{clr|B|236B}} > {{clr|A|63214A}}-AB > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > [D] > microdash {{clr|C|6C}}(2) > {{clr|B|236B}} > ]D[ > Staff1 > {{clr|C|236C}} > (microdash) > Staff2 > {{clr|B|4B}}e > {{clr|D|623D}}''' | ||
:Damage: 3197 | :Damage: 3197 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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==== Corner ==== | ==== Corner ==== | ||
'''{{clr|B|5B}} | '''{{clr|B|5B}}m > {{clr|C|2C}}m > {{clr|A|41236A}} > {{clr|D|623D}}''' | ||
:Damage: 2287 | :Damage: 2287 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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:*Basic corner combo. {{clr|A|41236A}} is a staple of staff corner combos. | :*Basic corner combo. {{clr|A|41236A}} is a staple of staff corner combos. | ||
'''{{clr|B|5B}} | '''{{clr|B|5B}}m > {{clr|C|2C}}m > {{clr|A|41236A}} > {{clr|D|6D}} > {{clr|C|6C}} > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > {{clr|C|j.236C}}''' | ||
:Damage: 2952 | :Damage: 2952 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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:*Three Dragons ender with {{clr|D|2D}} staff set. If the {{clr|C|6C}} is difficult to land, you can substitute it with {{clr|A|236A}} for less damage. | :*Three Dragons ender with {{clr|D|2D}} staff set. If the {{clr|C|6C}} is difficult to land, you can substitute it with {{clr|A|236A}} for less damage. | ||
'''{{clr|B|5B}} | '''{{clr|B|5B}}m > {{clr|C|2C}}m > {{clr|A|41236A}} > {{clr|D|6D}} > {{clr|C|6C}} > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > {{clr|A|63214A}}-B > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > {{clr|C|j.236C}} > {{clr|B|5B}}(e) > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > [D] > 8j.B > ]D[ > C > Staff1 > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > {{clr|D|623D}}''' | ||
:Damage: 4061 | :Damage: 4061 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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:*Spaces out DP ender with less risk of getting bursted into the corner. | :*Spaces out DP ender with less risk of getting bursted into the corner. | ||
'''{{clr|B|5B}} | '''{{clr|B|5B}}m > {{clr|C|5C}} > {{clr|C|3C}}m > {{clr|B|214B}} > {{clr|A|236A}} > {{clr|B|236B}} > {{clr|A|63214A}}-B > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > [D] > {{clr|C|6C}} > ]D[ > {{clr|C|236C}} > 44 > {{clr|A|41236A}} > {{clr|D|6D}} ''' | ||
:Damage:4073 | :Damage:4073 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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:*Corner BnB for {{clr|D|2D}}/Horizontal set. The 44 is a backdash | :*Corner BnB for {{clr|D|2D}}/Horizontal set. The 44 is a backdash | ||
'''{{clr|B|5B}} | '''{{clr|B|5B}}m > {{clr|C|2C}}m > {{clr|A|41236A}} > {{clr|D|6D}} > {{clr|C|6C}} > {{clr|B|j.236B}} > {{clr|A|63214A}}-D > 44 > {{clr|A|236A}} > {{clr|B|236B}} > {{clr|C|236C}} > {{clr|B|5B}}(e) > {{clr|C|6C}}(1) > [D] > {{clr|C|6C}}]D[ > {{clr|B|4B}}(e) > {{clr|D|623D}}''' | ||
:Damage: 4263 | :Damage: 4263 | ||
:Requires: N/A | :Requires: N/A | ||
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==External References== | ==External References== | ||
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FJCRBoFY-ZBlViAK-Bm8y0NXcH2r-iWbBx2tbchUB4w/edit?usp=sharing SmashSK's Combo Doc]: A resource for combos off of almost any hit including okizeme setups. Often includes videos, though some links may be broken. It's far too much to memorize, but is a great resource to see routing ideas off of uncommon starters or random hits in neutral. | |||
==Navigation== | ==Navigation== | ||
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Combo Theory
Popular staffed Launchers
- 2Cm
- 3Cm
- 41236Am
- 4Bm
Launcher (i.e 2Cm into 6D/3C)/ Air Hit > 214B > (236A/dash 6C(2)) > 236B
This is one of Litchi's most integral combo segments. It's very important to remember because of its usefulness. This works for her anywhere on the screen and allows her to convert off her staffed normals in practically any situation. The 'launcher' portion is just any of her common moves that put the opponent airborne, which also means that if you so happen to already have the opponent in the air, you can continue as usual. After performing 214B(B Ren Chan) you would typically follow up with either 236A if the opponent is low to the ground or with 6Ce if the combo starter wasn't too bad and you can dash up in time for it. In many cases, it's best to omit 236A/6C(2) if the opponent is relatively high or you've performed several attacks leading up to this point. Going straight to 236B is often the most stable course of action at this point. Moving forward we get to....
j.63214A > (optional A if proration/spacing allows) > B(Hatsu looking follow up off the staff) > land 6C(1) > 5/2[D] (hold D) > 6C(2) > j.236B > ]D[ (release D) j.236C > land staff 2(staff connects before it returns to you) > 6Ce(1) > 623D (DP ender)
This combo piece continues straight off the previous piece's last part (hatsu). You can special cancel Hatsu into Riichi which can then lead into Ippatsu's follow ups while on the staff. The A follow up is mostly optional and often times not capable of connecting, so it is almost always omitted unless spacing/proration is allowed for it (also being in the corner helps a lot). IppatsuB is your standard follow up afterwards, followed by a series of 6Cs while holding 5D. I typically recommend delaying your 6Cs to allow the opponent to fall a little lower to help allow the rest of the combo to connect smoothly. At the 6C(2) portion, you are to special cancel it into j.236B, followed by a delayed release of the staff into a slight delayed j.236C. If you delay properly, you often won't even need to manually release D yourself. But, its super important to get accustomed to manually releasing the staff as your release timing is often dependant on your screen position as being in proximity to the corner changes its return timing. Its important to include delays to make sure that your opponent isn't too high for the j.236C as that can be an issue. After landing from j.236C, all you have to do is move forward and hit 6C(1) and special cancel the first hit into 623D and thats it.
The nice thing about this combo is that it works anywhere if you adjust your timing on the staff release mainly. Practice this a lot as this is the basis for her more high damaging combo routes.
OD Combo Theory
Litchi's combo theory in Overdrive is extremely straight forward for her. Often times you'll want to use this to make Litchi's combos unburstable or to add on extra damage at the end of a full combo with the OD versions of her supers. Her combo routes are straight forward so long as you have a particular goal in mind.
Example routes:
- Anything > OD > [6Ce(2) > 3D] x N
Super critical combo piece and the core of her OD combos. [6Ce(2) > 3D] x N is the meat and potatoes of her OD routes.
Standard combo enders post 3D commonly involve:
- 6Ce(1) > DP
- EA
- OD Chinroutou
Anything > OD > (Haku) Hatsu Chun > 3D > [6Ce(2) > 3D] x N > ender
- Very straight forward combo into mostly optimal damage involving OD typically off a confirm where Litchi is out of 6Ce(1)'s range. The number of repetitions of [6Ce(2) > 3D] possible depends on Litchi's health:
- 1 rep is possible at 100% health.
- 2 reps are possible at 62% health.
- 3 reps are possible at 34% health.
The combo ender of choice depends on what to prioritise. 6Ce(1) > DP deals the least damage, but ends with a vertical staff set on top of the opponent. EA deals slightly more damage, but ends without a staff set. Chinroutou deals the most damage, but costs 50 Heat and ends with the opponent 3/4 of a screen away (unless done in the corner) and no staff set.
Anything > OD > (Haku) Hatsu Chun > 3D > 6Ae > 3D charged Kanchan into [6Ce(2) > 3D] x N OR DP ender OR Chinroutou OR EA
- Side switch combo with various options depending on OD duration.
Far confirm (i.e max range 3Cm) > OD > OD Ryuuisou > into [6Ce(2) > 3D] x N/DP/Chinroutou/DP/
- Typical 100% meter OD combo for relatively big damage quickly.
Combo List
The following combos range from basic to advanced in order to show off the different things Litchi can do.
Staffed
Midscreen
2A > 5B > 5C(1) > 3C
- Damage: 1176
- Requires: N/A
- Example: https://twitter.com/ttg_gerosyabu/status/913315403933278209
- Notes:
- Basic midscreen combo
2A > 5B > 2C > 623D
- Damage: 1559
- Requires: N/A
- Example:
- Notes:
- Basic midscreen combo into DP ender. Sets the staff on the opponent.
B+C > 623D
- Damage:2012
- Notes:
- Extremely basic combo. Sets the staff on your opponent.
B+C > 214B > 236B > 63214A-AB > 6C(1) > [D] > microdash 6C > (]D[)
- Damage: 2566
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Basic throw combo. Sets up staff launch for you to pressure afterwards. Back throw requires dash 5B to make 214B connect.
B+C > 214B > 236B > 63214A-AB > 6C(1) > [D] > microdash 6C(2) > 236B > ]D[ > Staff1 > 236C > (microdash) > Staff2 > 4Be > 623D
- Damage: 3197
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Throw BnB. You should time the staff release so that 236C hits the opponent right after the staff. Back throw requires Dash 5B > in order to make 214B connect.
5B > 6B > 6C > 2D > 236A > 236B > 236C
- Damage: 2661
- Requires: N/A
- Notes: Opponent Crouching
- Basic crouch confirm. Gives good corner carry with rekka.
Corner
5Bm > 2Cm > 41236A > 623D
- Damage: 2287
- Requires: N/A
- Video Example:
- Notes:
- Basic corner combo. 41236A is a staple of staff corner combos.
5Bm > 2Cm > 41236A > 6D > 6C > j.236B > j.236C
- Damage: 2952
- Requires: N/A
- Video Example:
- Notes:
- Three Dragons ender with 2D staff set. If the 6C is difficult to land, you can substitute it with 236A for less damage.
5Bm > 2Cm > 41236A > 6D > 6C > j.236B > 63214A-B > j.236B > j.236C > 5B(e) > 6C(1) > [D] > 8j.B > ]D[ > C > Staff1 > 6C(1) > 623D
- Damage: 4061
- Requires: N/A
- Video Example
- Notes:
- Spaces out DP ender with less risk of getting bursted into the corner.
5Bm > 5C > 3Cm > 214B > 236A > 236B > 63214A-B > 6C(1) > [D] > 6C > ]D[ > 236C > 44 > 41236A > 6D
- Damage:4073
- Requires: N/A
- Video Example
- Notes:
- Corner BnB for 2D/Horizontal set. The 44 is a backdash
5Bm > 2Cm > 41236A > 6D > 6C > j.236B > 63214A-D > 44 > 236A > 236B > 236C > 5B(e) > 6C(1) > [D] > 6C]D[ > 4B(e) > 623D
- Damage: 4263
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Corner BnB idea. The "44" notated is for dashing out of the corner and quickly going into 236A.
Staffless
Midscreen
B+C > 66 > 5B > jc > j.B > j.C > j.236B > j.236C
- Damage: 2388
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Gets good corner carry, staff independent.
5B > 6B > 5C > 236A > 236B > 236C
- Damage: 2080
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Basic combo without calling staff.
5B > 5C > 3C > D > (66) > 236B > j.236C
- Damage: 1983
- Requires: Close staff positioning, 2D/Horizontal set.
- Notes:
- An example of using staff positioning to go into staffed mode after a staffless confirm.
Corner
6A > D > 421C > 623D
- Damage: 1903
- Requires: Close staff positioning, 2D/Horizontal set
- Notes:
- An example of how you can combo off of 6A with horizontal staff set
6A > D > 5B > 5C > 3C > 623D
- Damage: 2098
- Requires: Close staff positioning, 5D/Vertical set
- Notes:
- 6A staff launch combo, but with Vertical Staff!
5B > 5C > 3C > 236A > 236B > 236C > 5B > 5C > jc > j.B > djc > j.B > j.236B > j.236C
- Damage: 3041
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- Staffless combo that doesn't bother with staff positioning. You can end on j.C instead to launch the staff.
B+C > d.236A > 236B > 236C > 5B > 5C > jc > j.B > djc > j.B > j.236B > j.236C
- Damage: 2818
- Requires: N/A
- Notes:
- A similar combo from a throw starter.
Video Examples
Litchi Combos by Geroshabu
Litchi Combos by Geroshabu Part 2
External References
SmashSK's Combo Doc: A resource for combos off of almost any hit including okizeme setups. Often includes videos, though some links may be broken. It's far too much to memorize, but is a great resource to see routing ideas off of uncommon starters or random hits in neutral.