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(Honestly, I'd rather err on the side of advising people to never IAD in neutral, but they do have their place.)
(1.1 note. I haven't watched the vid because it's 40 minutes long lmao)
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==Overview==
==Overview==
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Note: the above video is for 1.1. Chie's base gameplan hasn't changed too much in the patch, but her combo routing is vastly different.


Chie's basic plan is to just do what you can to work your way in and stay in your opponent's face where your fast buttons and high damage can win the day. Unlike most characters, she doesn't really have a mechanic that she plays behind, or big buttons to bully people with, so you just have to force your way in, or force them to whiff something to let you in and just try and keep them pressured. <br/>
Chie's basic plan is to just do what you can to work your way in and stay in your opponent's face where your fast buttons and high damage can win the day. Unlike most characters, she doesn't really have a mechanic that she plays behind, or big buttons to bully people with, so you just have to force your way in, or force them to whiff something to let you in and just try and keep them pressured. <br/>

Revision as of 05:14, 4 May 2022

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Overview

Note: the above video is for 1.1. Chie's base gameplan hasn't changed too much in the patch, but her combo routing is vastly different.

Chie's basic plan is to just do what you can to work your way in and stay in your opponent's face where your fast buttons and high damage can win the day. Unlike most characters, she doesn't really have a mechanic that she plays behind, or big buttons to bully people with, so you just have to force your way in, or force them to whiff something to let you in and just try and keep them pressured.

Neutral

Chie's main tool in neutral is her speed. She doesn't have many oppressive hitboxes to throw out so your best bet is to be tricky enough with your movement that your opponent whiffs a big move, gets too intimidated to try to stuff your approach, or just simply doesn't react. Despite having very high speed and kill potential, Chie for some reason is in the high-average health tier (9,500) which gives her flexibility to make a few mistakes while approaching.

Jumping in with run momentum is a fairly common option here. While it's tempting to airdash, it's valuable to hold your air options to bail out of the approach or react to the opponent's reaction, and by not airdashing it allows you to approach while airblocking. What makes this option scary is that Chie's j.C and j.D stall her air momentum and allow her to dodge or even beat many 2Bs and other antiairs.
That said, airdash approaches are still a valuable part of her toolkit. Instant Airdashes (IADs) are really good for two things: jumping over and whiff punishing attacks, and running into antiairs. Use them sparingly. Airdashing higher in Chie's jump arc or airdashing from a super jump allow Chie to dodge many antiairs and still hit standing opponents with j.C

Chie's grounded approach game is necessary to complement her aerial approach game to not be too predictable. Her best options here are 2A and 5C. 2A has fast startup, low recovery, and low profiles many pokes such as Narukami's 5B or Mitsuru's 5A. 5C is more committal, but it's still moderately fast and has pretty good reach. It's tempting to try to use 5A here, but Chie has T. rex arms so it's very difficult to actually hit the opponent this way without running into a hitbox first.

2C received a lot of buffs in the 2.0 patch and has been upgraded from being purely a combo tool to also having utility in neutral. While 2C has fairly slow startup at 19f, it has a large hitbox that stuffs grounded and aerial approaches, and is very difficult for some characters to meaningfully whiff punish. It's also generally safe on block/dash cancel, and leads to fairly good damage+knockdown on dash cancel hitconfirm.

Chie has a bit of a rough time handling aerial approaches. Her most intuitive option, 2B, has a very weird hitbox due to its sliding forward animation. It still works as an antiair, but requires experience to get familiar with. Other options include rising j.A, j.C, j.D, or airthrow to preempt the jumpin, 5A in certain situations, and surprisingly 2A. 2A actually ends up low profiling a lot of aerial moves causing the opponent to land on the hitbox.
214C is another notable option here. It's awkward to punish for airborne enemies and has a very large hitbox that can surprise most opponents trying to float outside of 2B/5C range. The unfortunate part is that it requires meter to convert off anything except CH in the corner. That said, it's still decent damage on its own and the Fatal Counter might intimidate enemies. Also Shadow Chie gets about 10k off a Shadow Frenzy FC combo midscreen so that's probably a pretty good deterrent. In a similar vein, 214C+D is a very strong option (see Metered Options section).

Metered Options

Chie actually has solid SB specials to force her way through neutral, particularly through 214C+D and 214A+B.
214C+D has a fairly large hitbox, armor frames from frame 9 through to the end of active frames, is +5 on block (+0 on dash cancel), is a Fatal Starter, has 0 P1 meaning it's her best CH starter, and leads to full combo midscreen on counterhit. If Chie's wasn't so efficient at using meter in combos this move would be the number one priority.
214A+B is a lunge that covers 3/4 of the screen, is projectile invulnerable from frame 7 through to the end of active frames, and is +3 on block. Outside of the corner, it doesn't really lead to combos like 214C+D does, but it's an option to get in that must be considered (although not necessarily respected) by most zoners.

Agneyastra is also a very strong neutral-winner, although it's not the winning-est winning move. Many characters have full screen options that can punish Agneyastra activation, and the duration and pushback will occasionally require a second Agneyastra to properly cover your approach. This is just to say it's a neutral-winner, not a game-winner. Your opponents will be very unhappy to have to deal with this move.

Defense

Chie's defensive options are very lamentable. There's really no sugar-coating this. Her strongest unique option is her stubby 5f 5A, and other than that she mostly has to rely on system mechanics. Her 2B has a weird hitbox and has trouble hitting directly above her, and her Furious Action is a counter with few catch frames and tons of counterplay because caught attacks count as being blocked.

5A, 2A, and 5C are probably Chie's best options to try to wrestle back her turn, depending on how far the opponent is. While her 5A is incredibly short range, it's a pretty good option to hit Personas which can end some pressure strings.

Chie does have some cheeky tools that let her try to escape the corner. Airdash j.2D allows Tomoe to intercept anyone coming up to try to catch her escape, and j.236C+D launches Chie pretty far fairly quickly and still retain air options. These are not strong, reliable options, but they are options nonetheless.

214C+D does have armor frames, so it's not the worst option. The armor starts kinda late so you can't mash it out of blockstun, but it does work as an answer to some situations. Since it uses a C+D input, it can also be used as a Throw tech Option Select.

Offense

TODO
Chie's most stable offensive options come from frame traps and strike/throw pressure. Press 4A a lot.

Combo Selection

TODO
In 1.1, Chie was incredibly efficient at converting meter into damage, and her conversion efficiency actually improved the more meter you put in. Thus, it was a viable strategy to stockpile meter into a single Touch of Death confirm and never use meter for neutral/pressure/mixups. This has changed a fair bit in 1.1 as her meter conversion rate now has diminishing returns, OMB is harder to combo into, and Shadow Frenzy's mechanics have changed.

Safejumps

Quick note about safejumps, as they're an important part of Chie's kit. Most non-damage-focused combos that end in knockdown (such as ending in 2A+B, 214A, AoA~D (FC), j.D) allow for Chie to get a safejump. Safejumps are particularly notable in Persona 4 Arena because everyone has an invincible reversal via Furious Action (commonly referred to as DPs here) and frame 1 invincible backdashes aren't available for a few frames on wakeup.
Safejumping after 214A ender is generally fairly autotimed. Holding forward jump at the end of the combo will automatically get the safejump timing correct so all you need to do is input j.B/j.2B close to landing (or framekilling the jump with instant j.B). For most other knockdown enders, it requires a bit of manual timing. Generally, the timing is just to do a forward jump right when/just before the opponent hits the ground. There are also more creative options, such as doing an IAD when the opponent hits the ground, or even 2A+B > Immediate neutral superjump > airturn > slight delay air backdash > j.B.

Special Reversal Options

  • Kanji's DP - Beats j.B/j.2B safejumps because coming in contact with him with a non-Persona move shocks you. Safejump with j.C (requires slightly different timing) or choose a different okizeme option.
  • Kanji's Command Grabs - 214D and 214C+D don't have strike invul on frame 1 but can lead to sad times if you mistime your attack. 214214C, 214214D, and 214214C+D do have full invul.
  • Yosuke's DP - Counter with a frame 1 counterattack. Needs to be safejumped frame-perfectly, or choose a different okizeme option.
  • Elizabeth and Margaret's DPs - These are invulnerable throws. Since you won't be in counterhit state when landing from your safejump, you can tech these throws, but there are better options to properly beat these and not just tie. Inputting a backdash or an AoA during the expected hitstop of the safejump will allow you to avoid and punish these.
  • Elizabeth's Ghastly Wail - Elizabeth has a frame 1 invul command grab super which is her only kinda decent reversal option. It's at best 4 after flash, so you can deal with this roughly the same way you deal with her DP
  • Elizabeth's Debilitate - This is a counter but the catch isn't active on frame 1, so it'll only catch you if you mistime your attack.
  • Adachi's DP - This is an overhead, so if you block safejumped reversals by crouchblocking, you'll need to standblock to account for it. It's also really slow, so you can play around that.
  • Chie's DP - The first hit of the counterattack is a low, so if you block safejumped reversals by standblocking, you'll need to crouchblock to account for it.
  • Naoto's DP~Safety - Naoto's DP is a counterattack that has a backdash followup. Not amazingly strong, but should be aware of as an option.
  • Minazuki's 214214C+D - This is just a counter that you can't safejump at all. Hitting him at all causes the counter to immediately trigger and hit you.
  • Aigis's Orgia Backdash - This is the only invincible backdash allowed on wakeup.
  • This list probably isn't complete.

Vs Chie

TODO

Neutral

don't get hit

Defense

Fuzzy jump her strike/throw. also don't get hit

Tips and Tricks


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