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Combo Notation Guide

Numbers represent direction on a keyboard numpad. For example

D becomes 236D

> = cancel into the next attack

, = link the next attack after preceding move's recovery

jc = jump cancel

hjc = high jump cancel

(N) = only use the Nth attack of the move (for example, if c.S(1) is written, you only use the first hit of c.S)

(move) = whatever's listed in the parentheses is optional

If you have notations that are not listed here but are necessary, feel free to add them as you see fit.

236D will combo after 5B or 5C if they are hit in crouching state. The 5th 5A can combo into 236D without needing crouching state.
j2B requires SB Hassou Tobi
Hassou Tobi damage values are highlighted in red: Hassou Tobi alone / A/B Power Slash modifier / SB Power Slash modifier
Moves highlighted in red indicate a point where Hassou Tobi is optional

214A/B routes
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes/Purpose
5A > 5B > 5C > 214B	Example	Gain	0	Can safejump with forward jump jC, also works with 5A > 5C > 5B
2A > 5C > 5B > 5A x 5 > 214A	Example	Example	Example	Primary grounded midscreen route with okizeme followup
2A > 5C > 5B > 5A x 5 > 236D > 214A	Example (Damage)	Example	Example	Corner only, does not work if jD/j2D precedes combo
2A > 5C > 5B > 214B > OMC > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214C	Damage	Gain	Cost	Way to squeeze damage from the 2A bnb for 50 meter
214A > 236236C > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > j2C > 9 jC > j2B	Damage (Damage)	Gain	50/125	In the corner, do 2D after 236236C and jC j2C after 2B. 214A can also combo after 2AB as a starter.

j214B ender routes
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes
2A > 5C > 5B > 214B > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > j214B	Example	Example	Example	Corner only. Can backdash or double jump for varied okizeme options
5D > 2B(4) > j2C > j214B	Example	Example	Example	Example
Anti air 2B(1) > 5C > jB > jC > djB > jC > jD > j214B	Example	Example	Example	Example
Anti air 2B(4) > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B	Example	Example	Example	Can extend into 2A > 5C > jB > jC > djC > j2B if you reach the corner
Throw > 2A > 5C > sj.B > jC > j2C > j214B	Example	Example	Example	Example

Combos into 2C
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes/Purpose
CH 2B/5B/5C > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > 2B(1) OR 5B > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B	/ / (214A corner only)	Example	Cost	2B 5C > sj.B jC jD > j214B is an alternative pickup/ender route
CH 5A > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > j214B	Damage	Gain	0	Strong option to punish/counterpoke specifically with 5A
CH j2C > j22C > j22D > 2C > 214C > 2B(1) OR 5B > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B	Damage	Example	0	Advanced throw whiff punish
Throw > OMC > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > 9 jC > j2B	Damage	Example	0	Corner only. Can dash during OMC to move them to the corner if close enough.
236236A/B > OMC > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214A > 214214A	Damage	Gain	0	Reversal option
236236CD > 2C > 214214A	Damage	Gain	0	Reversal option

Following 214C, 2B is more consistent for picking up with faster startup and more OTG range. 5B offers 200 more damage but requires you to be directly next to them.
The opponent must be lined up near the apex of 214C in order to have enough time to pickup afterwards.
Several timing cues for landing j22C after 2D: jump up > optional whiff jA/airthrow > airdash j22C, run > dash jump forward > falling jC, microdash > IAD > j22C

236D routing
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes/Purpose
2A > 5C > 5B > 236D > 66 5C > j2C > dj2C > j214B	Damage	Gain	-	Crouching only. Fullscreen knockdown with the persona left active above the opponent
2A > 5C > 5B > 5A x 5 > 236D > 66 5C > 214214AB	Damage (Damage)	Gain	75/125/150	Midscreen SB Hassou Tobi specific route from BNB for only 75 meter
2A > 5C > 5B > 5A x 5 > 236D > 66 5C > j2C > j236236CD (2C > 2D > 214D without Hassou)	Damage (Damage)	Gain	Cost	Corner only. 236236CD cannot be too deep in the corner. Time 214214A during their falling animation.
2A > 5C > 5B > 236D > OMC > 66 2C > 2D > j22C	Damage	Gain	Cost	You can walk backwards during OMC in the corner for burst safe spacing

236CD routing
Combo	Damage (Hassou)	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes
2A > 5C > 5B > 236CD > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > j2C > 9 jC > j2B	Example	Example	Example	Example
CH jC > 5A > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j236CD > 2D > j22C > 214C	Example	Example	Example	Example
5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j236CD > 2D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > 9 jC > j2B	Example	Example	Example	Burst punish route that leads into the corner. If directly in the corner, walk backwards during 2D to keep the opponent in the corner.

236CD wallstick in the corner works on: Narukami, Kanji, Teddie, Rise, Margaret, Marie, Aigis, Akihiko, Ken, Yukari, Elizabeth
In order to make 236CD a universal combo option, the move must not be directly in the corner. You will have a visual indication with 236CD pulling them further from the corner before finishing. Doing this also adds an additional hit.

OMB & 236236CD Routing
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes
Any 2 hits > OMB > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214214A	Example	N/A	50 / 125 / 150	Listed values for jB jC OMB.
2A > 5C > 5B > 2B(1) > OMB	Damage	+	-	Notes
2A > 5C > 5B > 236236CD > 66 2C > 2D > j22C > 214A	Example	Example	Example	Example
Example	Example	Example	Example	Example
Example	Example	Example	Example	Example

Fatal Counter Routes
Combo	Damage	SP Gain	SP Cost	Notes
j2B > 2A > 5C > 5B > 236D > 5C > j2C > j22D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > j2C > 9 jC > j2B	Damage	SP gain	Cost	Corner only
5C > 2C > hop cancel j22C >	Damage	+	-	Notes

Improvised Routes:

j22C > 2C > Hassou Tobi
CH 5C route into > 2B(1) > jC > j2C > djC > j214AB > 214214A or 236236A in the corner

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 ! Combo !! Damage !! SP Gain !! SP Cost !! Notes/Purpose
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-|2B/5B/5C > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > {{clr|4|2B(1) OR 5B}} > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B || / / (214A corner only)||Example || Cost||2B 5C > sj.B jC jD > j214B is an alternative pickup/ender route
+|CH 2B/5B/5C > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > {{clr|4|2B(1) OR 5B}} > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B || / / (214A corner only)||Example || Cost||2B 5C > sj.B jC jD > j214B is an alternative pickup/ender route
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-|5A > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > j214B || Damage || Gain|| 0 || Strong option to punish/counterpoke specifically with 5A
+|CH 5A > 2C > 2D > j22C > 66 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > j214B || Damage || Gain|| 0 || Strong option to punish/counterpoke specifically with 5A
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-|j2C > j22C > j22D > 2C > 214C > {{clr|4|2B(1) OR 5B}} > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B ||Damage || Example|| 0 || Advanced throw whiff punish
+|CH j2C > j22C > j22D > 2C > 214C > {{clr|4|2B(1) OR 5B}} > 5C > j2C > djB > jC > jD > j214B ||Damage || Example|| 0 || Advanced throw whiff punish
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 |Throw > OMC > 2C > 2D > j22C > 214C > 2B(4) > jC > j2C > 9 jC > j2B ||Damage || Example|| 0 || Corner only. Can dash during OMC to move them to the corner if close enough.