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* Stun Dipper generally cannot low profile {{MiniMoveCard|game=GGST|chara=Ramlethal Valentine|input=236H|label=H Sword Toss}} out of a blockstring unless Ram launches it from near tip range of {{clr|3|f.S}}/{{clr|4|5H}}
* Stun Dipper generally cannot low profile {{MiniMoveCard|game=GGST|chara=Ramlethal Valentine|input=236H|label=H Sword Toss}} out of a blockstring unless Ram launches it from near tip range of {{clr|3|f.S}}/{{clr|4|5H}}
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====Round Start====
* 2S is a strong round start that will beat most options Ram wants to use. She can 5k/2k to deal with 2s in a sort of neutral way or walk back and whiff punish it.
====Defense====
* IB is a strong option versus Ram's rekka pressure. IBing the 2nd Rekka generally allows for a throw punish unless she's already pushed out quite far from the blockstring. IBing both Rekka 1 and 2 should make this entirely guaranteed. This is difficult but can be done with practice!
* Defending in the corner against her sword toss pressure requires the use of FD to push Ram out. One basic Ram pressure sequence is ...cS-> H toss -> 5K / 2K. Using FD will create spacing such that you can jump out before 2k catches you, or 6p the 5K if they are going for that option. If Ram does a longer blockstring, FD can push her far enough out that you can simply jump before the H explosion and try to escape there, or dash block and escape the explosion situation on the ground.


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Revision as of 19:00, 17 May 2022

 Ky Kiske



  • Character Strategy pages generally also have a Counter Strategy section with basic universal counterplay.

Anji

Slightly Favored

 

  • Ky can easily punish NagihaGGST Anji Mito 236HS.pngGuardLowStartup15 (28 with early cancel)Recovery20Advantage-7 with Stun Dipper RRC

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Axl

 Axl LowAxl 2K low profiles Ky 2P lmao
Average

 

  • Round start buttons RPS should you choose to not block revolves around Ky 6P (beats f.SGGST Axl Low f.S.pngGuardAllStartup10Recovery19Advantage-8), f.S (beats 2DGGST Axl Low 2D.pngGuardLowStartup10Recovery17Advantage-9), and Foudre Arc (beats jump back j.SGGST Axl Low j.S.pngGuardHighStartup14Recovery18Advantage-, RainwaterGGST Axl Low 214S.pngGuardAllStartup24Recovery21Advantage+3, and backdash.
    • Ky's usually-strong round start 2S option loses or trades to Axl f.S/2D.
  • It is important to establish that 2HGGST Axl Low 2H.pngGuardLowStartup11Recovery26Advantage-18 [-8] is not free to use at mid-range. Instant Air Dashing over blocked 2H beats all of Axl's options other than 2H SnailGGST Axl Low 214H.pngGuardAllStartup14Recovery29Advantage-24 and 2H into nothing. Snail is punishable with either 66BRC c.S/6H or Stun Dipper when farther out.
  • Should Axl whiff Spinning Chain StrikeGGST Axl Low 46S2.pngGuardLowStartup7Recovery19Advantage-6, Foudre Arc will fly right over its low hitbox for a Counter Hit punish.
  • Regular anti-airs are not recommended against jump back j.HGGST Axl Low j.H.pngGuardHighStartup12Recovery25Advantage+3 (IAD) in the corner. Instead, block it and punish it as Axl falls or Vapor Thrust it on reaction if possible.
  • To punish superGGST Axl Low 236236H 1.pngGuardAllStartup11+1Recovery26Advantage-2, block the first hit, then jump forward > falling j.H for a jump-in punish.

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Baiken

Average

 

  • Ky's Charged Stun Edge Okizeme can circumvent Baiken's parryGGST Baiken 236P 2.pngGuard-Startup1Recovery32Advantage-, but be wary of being too predictable with 2P and 2K/5K frametraps.
  • Be wary of throwing projectiles against a Baiken with 50 Meter as KenjyuGGST Baiken 214214P.pngGuardAll (Guard Crush)Startup8+3RecoveryTotal 47Advantage+5 will beat it fullscreen.
  • Ky can force Baiken to respect Ky via using Stun Dipper to low profile KabariGGST Baiken 41236H.pngGuardAllStartup18Recovery19Advantage-3 blockstrings and H Vapor Thrust certain blockstrings ending in Tatami (which leave a gap between the move and tatami)

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Chipp

Faust

Average

 

  • Faust can practically nullify Ky's Charged Stun Edge okizeme by using Crawl

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Giovanna

Unfavored

 

  • Giovanna's neutral presence matches Ky's while having more consistent rewards and better pressure
  • Notably, her airdash descends very quickly, allowing her to more easily (relative to a lot of other characters) punish Stun Edge with an IAD An air dash performed from a standing position as quickly and as low to the ground as possible from a jump. Done by inputting 956 754, and depending on the game, using a dash macro right after a jump. on reaction.

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Goldlewis

Average

 

  • Ky can effectively zone Goldlewis with Stun Edge and his long normals (provided Goldlewis does not have level 3 security for SkyfishGGST Goldlewis Dickinson Skyfish.pngGuardAllStartup25Recovery75~134 TotalAdvantage-13)

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Happy Chaos

I-No

Average

 

  • Ky can force I-No to take greater risks than usual in neutral with proper use of 6H and 2H, forcing varied approach as they can catch both IAD An air dash performed from a standing position as quickly and as low to the ground as possible from a jump. Done by inputting 956 754, and depending on the game, using a dash macro right after a jump. and StrokeGGST I-No Stroke the Big Tree.pngGuardLowStartup28Recovery16Advantage-2) attempts.

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Round Start

  • 2S is a generally strong option. It will beat I-no's common normals and force her into trying to whiff punish by walking back or into using dives. Forward jump j.K calls out the dive. Most of these options convert into oki off successful hits, leading to a good round start for Ky.

Neutral

  • I-no wants to get Ky blocking and Ky generally wants to keep I-no out. Thankfully Ky's 6H is a strong tool to stop I-no from easily moving forward as it covers both stroke and hover options, as well as being large enough to swing through Note. 6H also leads into high damage conversions on counter hit so it is a dominant tool at most ranges that I-no wants to approach from. Fireballs from a distance are also helpful to force movement patterns that are not strictly forward.
  • Once I-no begins respecting 6H and Fireballs she'll either take to higher routes in the air to go over 6H or start contesting it directly with fS/6P. If she is using Dives you can bait them with dash block or preemptive jK attempts. Be careful not to fall on top of her if the jK was incorrect - air dash back instead to maintain some amount of spacing. I-no's 6P is very strong and will cleanly beat whatever falling normal you try to use. If I-no opts instead to use her fS/6P/2H then you are essentially playing footsies around a fairly large disjoint. Directly contesting fS with something like 6P is fairly risky due to its size. You can instead look to dash brake to force a whiff from it and then work with the whiffed frames to move forward or dash fS/6H to stop her from hitting another normal. From some ranges you can also just dash stun dipper and directly whiff punish the fS.
  • 5K is a strong tool to react to stroke with in neutral. It will stuff both Strokes and since Stroke is crouching it converts into 6H which gives you big combos near the corner.

Jack-O'

Ky (mirror)

Leo

May

 May
Even

 

  • Ky can control neutral on the ground fairly well with Stun Edge, 6P, f.S, and 6H, forcing May to approach from the air.
  • Ky can consistently punish a blocked S DolphinGGST May Mr. Dolphin Horizontal.pngGuardAllStartup7Recovery20 (24 OH)Advantage-3 with Stun Dipper RRC, forcing May to be wary of using it against a Ky with 50 meter
  • Ky can have a hard time dealing with May's enormous damage output, making small mistakes very punishing.

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Millia

Nagoriyuki

Unfavored

 

  • Nagoriyuki's massive disjointed attacks make it hard for Ky to contest or approach him in Neutral
  • Nagoriyuki's explosive damage output can make it difficult for Ky to come back from making a small mistake
  • Ky maintains advantage when Nagoriyuki has high blood. The threat of Blood Rage from continued special move use allows Ky to safely apply pressure from a distance with Stun Edge or to use Charged Stun Edge to safely approach and begin his strike/throw gameplan.

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Round Start

  • 2D is the most favorable button to use vs Nagoriyuki's round start options. It will cover all of his normals and specials except for 5KGGST Nagoriyuki 5K.pngGuardAllStartup7Recovery14Advantage-2. It will also lose to him walking back in order to set up a whiff punish. Ky can convert a counter hit 2D into a wall break combo making this is also a high return option. Using f.S will allow Ky to cover Nagoriyuki's 5K.
  • Although the above is true, the best approach to round start is most likely to avoid confrontation. Walking backwards, IAD back, or jumping back all carry substantially less risk then putting a normal out at round start as the wrong choice will lead into taking 50% damage, being wall broken, and Nagoriyuki having Positive Bonus. Thus being conservative in the approach to round start, unless you have a good read or good reason, is a strong way to start the round.

Neutral

  • The matchup revolves around being more active at low blood with movement and Stun Edges. If Nago is playing a bit more passive or whiffing H normals you can try to move in and use longer range normals to fight him or take space. SE use at this point needs to be sparing. You want to use enough to keep Nago thinking about jumping / using cloneGGST Nagoriyuki Zarameyuki1.pngGuardAllStartup18~29RecoveryTotal 39Advantage+5 but not so much that you are easily read and he lands a solid clone > FukyoGGST Nagoriyuki Fukyo.pngGuardN/AStartup-RecoveryTotal 25AdvantageN/A to get in on you. Ideally you play coy enough in order to force him to spend blood in an attempt to get in. Once at high blood he loses access to clone and Fukyo, and without these tools he is heavily abusable with Stun Edge and Charged Stun Edge. Use both of your projectile tools to get him jumping and punish bad jumps, or use CSE in order to force your way on top of him. When approaching behind CSE be wary of 5HGGST Nagoriyuki 5HComparison.pngGuardAllStartup16Recovery27Advantage-14 as at high blood it can disjoint through CSE and clip you.
  • Just beyond Nago's 5H range is a solid range to be at as this lets you block 214HGGST Nagoriyuki Kamuriyuki1.pngGuardLowStartup14Recovery17Advantage-3 without being in command grabGGST Nagoriyuki Bloodsucking Universe.pngGuardGround ThrowStartup7Recovery48AdvantageNA range and also lets you play around his whiffed 5H/2HGGST Nagoriyuki 2HComparison.pngGuardAllStartup19Recovery29Advantage-17. If Nago whiffs 2H or 6HGGST Nagoriyuki 6HComparison.pngGuardAll (Guard Crush)Startup17Recovery30Advantage-2 anywhere near this range, dash Stun Dipper to punish him. Consistently punishing whiffed high recovery H normals with Dipper or dash f.S is very important - any opening to get on top of Nago safely has to be taken.
  • Nago's 2S is a god normal and very difficult to work around. It'll be the main tool used to keep you from approaching freely on the ground after you make him consider not relying on H normals as heavily. Stun Edge can be a way to keep him from pressing 2S freely, but is risky. If Nago is spamming 2S in your face you can also try and 2D to whiff punish it - this will require you being ready for the 2S.
  • Raw forward Fukyo use has to be checked on reaction fairly consistently. 5P/2P into a combo is the easiest way to do this.

Defense

  • Bursting Nago after he has spent a lot of blood is strong. For example: if he’s done a combo where he used blood to get in and then did his DPGGST Nagoriyuki Shizuriyuki1.pngGuardAllStartup11Recovery21Advantage-7, burst him immediately after the DP and he’ll now be at high blood and give you better control of neutral.

Potemkin

Ramlethal

Struggle

 

  • Ram controls the neutral in this matchup with her gigantic disjointed ground and air normals that are hard to contest on top of having deadly corner pressure
  • Running 6P or Stun Edge are some of the only ways for Ky to contest Ram's grounded normals as 6H can be slow enough to lose or trade unfavorably.
  • Stun Dipper generally cannot low profile H Sword TossGGST Ramlethal Valentine Bajoneto H.pngGuardAllStartup20RecoveryTotal 43Advantage+3 out of a blockstring unless Ram launches it from near tip range of f.S/5H

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Round Start

  • 2S is a strong round start that will beat most options Ram wants to use. She can 5k/2k to deal with 2s in a sort of neutral way or walk back and whiff punish it.


Defense

  • IB is a strong option versus Ram's rekka pressure. IBing the 2nd Rekka generally allows for a throw punish unless she's already pushed out quite far from the blockstring. IBing both Rekka 1 and 2 should make this entirely guaranteed. This is difficult but can be done with practice!
  • Defending in the corner against her sword toss pressure requires the use of FD to push Ram out. One basic Ram pressure sequence is ...cS-> H toss -> 5K / 2K. Using FD will create spacing such that you can jump out before 2k catches you, or 6p the 5K if they are going for that option. If Ram does a longer blockstring, FD can push her far enough out that you can simply jump before the H explosion and try to escape there, or dash block and escape the explosion situation on the ground.

Sol

 Sol BadguyKy and Sol have similar game plans and toolkits, but Sol has a much better risk-to-reward ratio
Unfavored

 

  • 5P/2P/6P are all fast enough to interrupt Sol f.SGGST Sol Badguy fS.pngGuardAllStartup10Recovery13Advantage+2 > f.S, or Faultless Defense will push him out.
    • The above will get frame trapped by f.S > 5KGGST Sol Badguy 5K.pngGuardAllStartup3Recovery25Advantage-16/2KGGST Sol Badguy 2K.pngGuardLowStartup5Recovery11Advantage-2/5HGGST Sol Badguy 5H.pngGuardAllStartup11Recovery20Advantage-5, which in turn is beaten by Vapor Thrust, resulting in an overall high-risk/low-reward situation for Ky to challenge reliably.
  • Sol can infamously punish Dire Eclat on block more reliably than the rest of the cast via 6HGGST Sol Badguy 6H.pngGuardAllStartup9Recovery43Advantage-27, but spaced blockstrings ending in 5H/6H/Stun Edge are safe with their pushback.
  • The most consistent anti-air against Bandit BringerGGST Sol Badguy 214K.pngGuardHighStartup30Recovery13Advantage-3 is H Vapor Thrust, as Sol can delay it to bait out 6P/2H.
  • Punishes against 6SGGST Sol Badguy 6S.pngGuardAllStartup15Recovery20Advantage-9 > GunflameGGST Sol Badguy 236P.pngGuardAllStartup18RecoveryTotal 54Advantage-10, after 6S:
    • Jump forward j.H > 2D
    • Close to the corner, j.H 66 c.S > 6H wallbounce > 5K/c.S > 6H > Dire Eclat/Vapor Thrust
    • At close range with 50% Tension, Ride The Lightning
    • From far range with 50% Tension, IAD An air dash performed from a standing position as quickly and as low to the ground as possible from a jump. Done by inputting 956 754, and depending on the game, using a dash macro right after a jump. BRC j.H > c.S > 5H > Dire Eclat/Stun Dipper

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Round Start

  • 5K is a relatively safe start that can be confirmed into 2D or Stun Dipper on hit, or block/6H on block or whiff. From there, 6P is a hard callout to f.SGGST Sol Badguy fS.pngGuardAllStartup10Recovery13Advantage+2, and 2D has the greatest reward on a Counter Hit. Backdash > 6H also punishes 6HGGST Sol Badguy 6H.pngGuardAllStartup9Recovery43Advantage-27.
KY\SOL f.SGGST Sol Badguy fS.pngGuardAllStartup10Recovery13Advantage+2 6SGGST Sol Badguy 6S.pngGuardAllStartup15Recovery20Advantage-9 6HGGST Sol Badguy 6H.pngGuardAllStartup9Recovery43Advantage-27 2SGGST Sol Badguy 2S.pngGuardAllStartup10Recovery15Advantage-7 6PGGST Sol Badguy 6P.pngGuardAllStartup9Recovery20Advantage-11 2DGGST Sol Badguy 2D.pngGuardLowStartup10Recovery18Advantage-4 Night Raid VortexGGST Sol Badguy 214S 1.pngGuardAllStartup15~31 [32]Recovery32 [26]Advantage-17
5P nothing, timing SD, timing 5P (whiff) 2S punishes 5P (whiff) 2S/2D punishes
2P nothing, timing Stun Dipper, timing 2P (whiff) 2S/2D punishes
6P Dire Eclat Stun Dipper Clash trade
5K 2D 2D Stun Dipper 2D
2K Stun Dipper, timing Stun Dipper trade Stun Dipper, timing
f.S Stun Dipper Stun Dipper Delay it to win Trade
2S Stun Dipper Stun Dipper
2D CH Trade CH Trade, HKD CH, no wallbreak
Stun Dipper Single hit uncombo Single hit uncombo Single hit uncombo Single hit uncombo Single hit uncombo

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