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DBFZ_Vegito_5L.png | The stuff of nightmares
DBFZ_Vegito_5L.png | The stuff of nightmares
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DBFZ_Vegito_5M.png | Incredibly long reach
DBFZ_Vegito_5M.png | Your mid-range in one button.
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DBFZ_Vegito_5S.png | ''"Use the force, Vegito."''
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* Hits about 2 characters away.
* Hits about 2 characters away.
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Good as a poking tool in mid-range. Best linked with 2S, leading to a combo on hit and is safe on block.
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DBFZ_Vegito_j2H.png | KNEE! '''KNEE!'''
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DBFZ_Vegito_SpiralHeelShot.png | eSports Kicks
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DBFZ_Vegito_AtomicBuster.png |Whiff
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* Great for combo extensions and blockstring pressure.
* Great for combo extensions and blockstring pressure.
If you already have an assist that's great for neutral, this can be a good choice. It has very high blockstun and hits twice, allowing for creative applications with certain moves and mixups.
It's hard to argue for this assist over Vegito's top-tier A assist. Assist B has very high blockstun and hits twice, allowing for creative applications with certain moves and mixups. If you absolutely need an assist with high blockstun, this can be a good choice.
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Revision as of 07:27, 8 December 2021

Overview

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Normal Moves

5L

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Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.

  • 5L hits multiple times, but it's considered to be one hit for scaling purposes.
  • Huge range but also huge recovery on whiff.
  • High probability of winning in clash scenarios. Reflect or reversals are the only 2 options if a clash occurs, as it will wins against anything else.
  • Due to the multiple hits, the move is unquestionably the easiest normal to convert off of both in the corner and mid-screen.
  • Higher blockstun than other light normals, making a visible delay for 5L > DR on block.

Arguably the best 5L in the game with its combination of long reach, active frames, and being safe on block. If you can space yourself out far enough that only the tip of 5L hits your opponent, there is no light normal in the game outside of itself that can contest it. Some mediums will be able to challenge, but if they do press mediums, you can frametrap into 5LL and punish accordingly.

Due to his 5L's startup being 7 frames instead of 6, Vegito will not be able to challenge his opponents regarding +0 situations. In a case such as if 6M is blocked, Vegito will have to either block or commit to a defensive option like 214S or reflect.

5L > Z-Change is a safe tag and also a Sparking! bait since 5L's long animation makes it an easy target for Guard Cancel/Sparking. And since grounded normals on block or hit can Z-Change during their duration, this is a true blockstring.


  • 5LL ground bounces airborne opponents.
  • Combo and blockstring filler.

The main use of this normal outside of combos is to keep people in check after 5L. A small delay will allow it to catch the opponent's buttons, which will let you oppress the opponent with 5L more easily. It's also a great combo starter, which accentuates it's above usage.


  • 5LLL ground bounces
  • Cancelling into this from a blocked 5LL always leaves the opponent in too much blockstun for the throw to work.

This move mainly shines in corner combos, as it allows for combos into 214X at high hitstun decay. Other than that you don't want to use it.

5M

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
700 All 9 6 20 -10

  • Can reverse beat into 2L.
  • Travels 2/3 of the screen.

A far-reaching, advancing normal with 9 frame startup and is -5 on block. An excellent 5M and one of the the best in the game.

Very good for stagger pressure, since it creates distance between Vegito and the opponent. Combined with his amazing 5L, and resets can be done very easily. Its active frames are much more helpful in the corner, as it maintains a prime 5L stagger range from both 5L and 5LL.

This normal also has variable frame advantage depending on the distance between Vegito and the opponent. Normally Vegito's 5M is -5 (as are most of his other normals) however when pressed further away the normal can be up to 0 on block. Infusing this with his 5L after a spaced 5M makes challenging this character close to impossible with most of the cast (in the corner).

5H

5S

2L

2M

2H

2S

6M

6S

j.L

j.M

j.H

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  • 5LLLLLLL Smash hit can wall bounce.
  • j.H does not knock down
  • Great hitbox.

One of Vegito's best air-to-air buttons. Has a huge hitbox, and while it is a little slow, it still has a lot of use. It sends the opponent straight out similar to Piccolo's j.H, so the best way to convert off it mid-screen would be j.236L > Vanish > j.214M. j.H connects into j.2H and j.S in the corner, which can be useful for combos as well as converting off it in the corner if you hit an airborne opponent with it. If you use it to safejump and you catch someone up-teching, it will still combo into 5L.

j.S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
500 / 500×2 All U1 15 5

  • Freezes momentum.
  • Launches upwards.
  • Considered a beam projectile, Superdash > j.S on block will catch any 2H's slower than it (like Broly).
  • Jails into vanish.
  • Can option select, after j.S use vanish input then superdash input, if they get hit you superdash, if it is blocked you vanish.

An amazing tool for Vegito with many applications.

The cornerstone of Vegito strings, j.S is a very good button for him. It has a lot of use in combos, allowing him to set up 236L or 214X very easily due to it flinging the opponent upwards. Its hitbox being wider than it seems allows him to snag opponents a little higher than him during air combos. j.S is also amazing for same-side mix-up, between a crossup j.H or a same-side j.S, thanks to it halting Vegito's aerial momentum. Since Sparking makes all normals jump-cancellable, Vegito gets even more unique and tricky pressure options with this.

j.S has multi-faceted use in neutral, both offensively and defensively. The beam property makes it excellent for snagging opponents below Vegito, such as beating anti-airs during scramble situations, and for catching those too eager to get in on you with an airdash. This lets Vegito easily harass enemies coming at him, or trying to stop his approaches. j.S has a lot of landing recovery, so take caution when utilizing this move during those specific situations, and be ready to cancel into something/call an assist to try and make Vegito safe.

j.2H

Special Moves

Spiral Heel Shot

236L/M/H (Air OK)

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Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.

  • Puts Vegito airborne.
  • The first hit will trigger a kicking sequence on hit and clash.
  • Smash triggers on the last hit of either the "whiff" version or the auto-kick sequence.
  • Non-smash last hit send the opponent flying with decent hitstun.
  • Has medium scaling
  • Air versions slightly track opponents above Vegito and all have longer range than ground versions. Tiger knee-ing these moves in neutral will give higher chance of hitting.

All versions can be used as a lariat or counterpoke, but Vegito's normals far outclass 236L and 236M for this task.


236L

Mainly used for safely ending blockstrings and combo filler. Non-smash whiff version can be used for advanced combos.


236M
  • Carries momentum on auto-kick hit.
  • Smash hit corner splats.

Staple of his corner BnBs. Save your smash for this, unless you're going for meaty 5H.


236H
  • Smash hit causes a wall bounce, able to followup from midscreen.
  • Amazing tiger knee option, will track up to regular jump height

Hard to combo off of in the corner, but its main use is as a lariat-style move midscreen. It is completely unreactable and leads to a highly damaging combo midscreen if your opponent is caught by the first hit.

Atomic Buster

214L/M/H (Air OK)

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Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.

  • Has Anti-Air property
  • On whiff, Vegito can act as soon as he starts descending, can be used for mixups

Vegito's anti-air command grab. All versions are commonly used as combo enders or as a terrifying air-to-air.


214L
  • Travels almost vertically.
  • Causes a soft knockdown.

You can gimmick people with a 2M after landing this, and also used for standard ender in corner BnBs. 214L into vanish DR, gives sliding knockdown and the DR animation wastes time on the meter penalty timer.


214M
  • Travels diagonally.
  • Causes a sliding knockdown.
  • Can act as soon as Vegito starts descending.

Vegito's best air ender for midscreen or slightly out of corner BnBs, as it is very easy to combo into either after j.2H or a vanish, and gives sliding knockdown. In the corner it gives Vegito a ton of time to get oki because of this, whereas mid-screen he'll have a harder time keeping pressure because of the distance the move puts on him and the opponent. Regardless, it's his best way to end most air combos.


214H
  • Travels diagonally
  • Causes a ground bounce sliding knockdown, can link into 5L in the corner.

A powerhouse, and a fantastic metered option for anti-airing, anti-jumping, and air-to-airing. It's combination of speed, head invulnerability and unrecoverable damage will make Vegito's opponents think twice about jumping. Even if the grab whiffs, it puts Vegito in a decent position to utilize his other aerial options.

214H is also used for back-to-corner combos. It causes a ground bounce sliding knockdown, allowing for easy, high damaging extensions.

Split Finger Shot

236S (Air OK)

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  • Can be super-dashed through

An amazing, low commitment ki-blast. Its combination of screen coverage, speed, safeness, and when used in conjunction with his myriad of anti-air options allows Vegito to control the flow of neutral extremely well.

When performed after a 5M, carries additional momentum and can be air dash canceled. This can be used to mix up opponents by providing a descending overhead mixup, similar to Bardock's Grounded M Rebellion Spear. Somewhat risky if not covered, but a useful tool nonetheless.

The air version of 236S carries all of his air momentum in the move, although he halts for a few seconds and then you move. This means Vegito can move quickly forward, back, or whatever he wants to do using 236S, which gives him some neat movement options. They're not perfect, as you can superdash the move, so be cautious when using it.

There is another version that can be done with 2369S or 2368S, which does the movement at low height then continues the jump, allowing you to perform an air dash to prevent enemies to high recover jump on corners, though it can't be performed on blockstring.

Barrier

214S

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Catch 4 34 Total 54 4-37 Guard
Attack 0, 1500 Throw U3+

  • Can counter anything except grabs and supers
  • The counter attack is jump cancellable in Sparking
  • Can grab multiple times in a combo like 5LLL
  • Can grab both grounded and aerial opponents

Vegito's barrier is an alright move. It's somewhat risky to pull off and can be vanished on their hit if your opponent reacts in time or reads your barrier, which hurts the move a little. However, it still has some use for its unpredictability, and if your opponent can't react in time Vegito can get a decent conversion off of it with a vanish. The fact that it is invincible to everything except supers and grabs helps as well, as it can be used to predict a beam at close range and eat the entire thing, and your opponent most likely won't predict you barrier-ing their beam. Much like other frame 4 counters, Vegito can call an assist during the counter. This allows Vegito to bait an opponent into blocking so he can take his turn, and to make this move safe. There are also some edge cases where the counter attack will get stuffed, particularly if it counters a 5LL and the opponent's 5LLL is a grab (looking at you, Cell). Overall, this move isn't amazing, but it has some applications when used accordingly.

Z Assists

Assist A

Split Finger Shot

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
300×5 All 25 +20 ~ +24

  • Low blockstun, which can also be super-dashed through and reflected during block.
  • Very high hitstun, making it very useful during combos.
  • Covers a great distance at an aggressive angle.
  • Very useful in the corner, as it cover all regions the opponent can go.

Incredibly strong and one of the best assists in the game. The huge area that the ki blasts cover as well as their high amount of hitstun make this an incredibly powerful assist to use in many situations, similar to SS Vegeta's A Assist but covering a huge horizontal area. While it has low blockstun, it is still good for lockdown, and if your opponent starts getting impatient and just superdashes or reflects, you can play around this and counter said options by anti-airing, baiting out options, or going for a reflect proof string.

Assist B

Spiral Heel Shot

Assist C

Spirit Sword

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
45 [20] +20

  • Can be good for mixes if one can take advantage of the low hit stun frames, though it must be called years in advance as it has an abysmal 65 frames of start up if called outside a combo.
  • Great tracking, and it's quite useful in combos thanks to it hitting nearly anywhere.
  • Extremely narrow downward angle makes it easy to side switch and the knockdown is slow giving one plenty of time to prepare/react.

Unfortunately, Vegito C wants to do a similar job as Vegito A but that has half the cost, half the startup, and triple the use. Vegito A is an overbearingly powerful assist that can do many things that Vegito C already does, such as outrageous hitstun, comboability, and screen control. It just does them better.

It's not terrible. If you really want to use a C Assist, there are much worse than Vegito C. The only reason this one could really be called "bad" is because of how much you're giving up compared to A for nearly the same reward.

Super Moves

Spirit Excalibur

236L+M or 236H+S

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  • Does more damage close-range as opposed to far-range
  • Hits full screen, dragging the opponent down with the sword
  • Deals less hits the further away the opponent is and will miss if the opponent is too high up. At max range, does 2 hits (200, 2300)
  • Minimum damage: 30*4, 750 (870)

As Vegito's DHC super, it is a very good tool for him due to how big the move is. It can be confirmed into from almost anywhere on the screen for damage, and can be helpful for some characters when trying to get another super in. It's also good on it's own for Vegito's damage, as while you can't easily confirm into it on the ground, you can easily combo into it after a j.214M sliding knockdown.

Omega Finishing Blow

j.236L+M or j.236H+S

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  • Costs 1 Ki Gauge
  • Minimum damage: 300, 440 (740)
  • Tracks the opponent
  • Can be easily anti-air'd on reaction
  • Values in [] is damage if Z-Changed before the punch lands (Minimum damage: 675)

Best used as a combo ender to finish a character off or as a setup into another character's super, as the window to Z-Change for this move is huge and the oki is weak, even in the corner, only being +4 after landing. It combos from many of Vegito's moves, such as 236X, 214X, and j.S, but has a hard time tracking if the opponent is moving quickly (i.e, super dash). This is the most meter-efficient way to go into a DHC sequence, not costing an extra bar like most of his corner combos do to score a sliding knockdown.

Final Kamehameha

214L+M (Air OK) or 214H+S (Air OK)

External References

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