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Overview
Overview

Tager is a grappler character. He has slow and limited movement but by using a combination of his 5B (his old Sledge special) to cover ground, his Voltic Battler drive to pull his opponent towards him and solid fundamenetal movement, Tager can close the gap between him and his opponent. Once close, Tager has a number of command grabs that can either be very damaging on their own or which can lead to an even more damaging combo.

Pros
Cons
  • 20k health; highest tier of health in the game
  • A variety of threatening command grabs to control the ground and air, including his invincible 720 command grab which can be used both in the air and on the ground
  • Sledge is a very strong zone breaking tool with high and mid guard points
  • Can easily nullify most projectile wars at the cost of 1 skill gauge with Spark Bolt
  • High BnB damage
  • Strong reset potential on opponent's wakeup thanks to magnetized command grabs.
  • Low mobility. Tager cannot air dash or double jump
  • Sledge is weak against lows and sometimes inconsistent against strong multihit pokes while speeding towards the opponent
  • Very tall and vulnerable to instant overhead mixups
  • Assists are fairly situational and teammate dependent
  • Meter dependent, especially considering the threat potential of tools like Spark Bolt and Genesic Emerald Tager Buster
Some of Tager's normals, specials, and supers automatically pull the opponent towards him, giving his attacks more range as well as messing with the opponent's sense of spacing.
Iron Tager
BBTag Tager Portrait.png
Health
20,000
Prejump
6F
Backdash
28F (1~20F Inv All)
Unique Movement Options
No Run
No Double Jump
No Air Dash
Fastest Attack
Reversals

Normal Moves

4A

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
4A 1000 All 8 3 11 0 B -
4AA 1000 Low 10 3 14 -3 F -
4AAA 1500 All 13 4 19 -1 B -

  • 4A is Tager's fastest ground poke.
  • Slower than 214A but still very useful for safely controlling space.
  • Jump cancellable on hit and on block.
  • Can be used to tick throw 214A/C/B+C

  • 4AA hits low
  • Jump cancellable on hit and on block.
  • Can be used to tick throw 214A/C/B+C

Be careful using this when connecting 4A against aerial opponents or at longer ranges where it might whiff. Chain into 2C instead in those situations.


  • 4AAA has slight magnetism
  • Can be used to tick throw 214A/C/B+C

Can be a decent setup into a command grab. Special cancelable and chainable into 2C.

5A

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
5A 1700 All 15 4 18 -3 B -
5AA 1700 [2500] All 21 [52] 7 27 -15 B 16~27 [16~58] Guard HBP
5AAA 2000 All 20 9 30 -18 B -
5AAAA 2000 High 24 2 33 -14 B -

  • 5A is jump cancelable on hit and on block.

  • 5AA is chargeable for magnetism and high/mid guard point.
  • Can be held for 31f
  • Special cancelable into Tager's command grabs
  • Fully charged does additional damage and combos into 2B on grounded hit
  • Frankly ridiculous amounts of armour. You can tank the first half of Nine's Flame Punisher and still do your attack undisturbed
  • Catches jump startup after 5A

Canceling into 214B or 214C after this move is a situationally useful mixup against blocking opponents. In the event they get counterhit on the ground, you can actually combo directly into 214B.


  • 5AAA's magnetism can draw opponents back in after a pushblocked 5AA, stopping some counter-attacks.
  • Comboable into 5B on counter hit
  • Catches jump startup after 5AA

  • 5AAAA is an overhead.

As it's special cancelable, you can combo into 236C or 236AB afterwards. Another alternative is calling an Assist during this move and special canceling into 236B as the Assist lifts the opponent from the ground.

5B

Sledgehammer

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
5B 2000 [2500] All 32 [61] 4 19 -4 B 1~36 [1~65] Guard P
9-26 [9~55] Guard HBP
5BB 1700 High 19 6 30 -17 B 1~18 Guard HBP

  • 5B is chargeable. Sledge will cover more distance and deal more damage when fully charged.
  • Has high and mid guard points while charging.
  • Launches airborne opponents, allowing further combo.
  • Can be held for 29f

Difficult to punish on block, use this move to cover screen distance and approach zoners. Chainable into 2A, 2B, 2C, and 5C on hit but not block. Thanks to high and mid guard points, Tager can also bait Bursts with this move for a counterhit combo.


  • 5BB is deceptively large, long-lasting overhead hitbox
  • Sends airborne opponents downwards
  • Only combos in Gadget Finger

Don't use this if Sledgehammer gets blocked as it's easy to punish. Will autocorrect if an opponent crosses over Tager after he uses Sledge.

5C

2A

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
1700 All 13 2 29 -12 B 9~12 H

  • 9-12f head invulnerable

Can be used as an anti-air, but more important is the fact that as of patch 1.5 Tager was given the ability to combo into 5A after this move assuming he hasn't used 5A earlier in a gatling. Use this to your advantage especially considering that you can combo into 2A from moves like 4A and even Sledge. Due to head invulnerability, you can try to get a counterhit with this move when an opponent tries to burst one of your combos on the ground, letting you afterwards juggle them with Sledge.

2B

2C

j.A

j.B

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
2000 High 22 4 18+7L H

  • Very attractive against aerial opponents
  • Can be low profiled by some moves and some crouching opponents [ie. Linne, other Under Night Characters]
  • Poor vertical hitbox close to Tager will cause the move to whiff unexpectedly when the opponent gets close.

Used in aerial combos, and can be used as an air to air. Has high frame advantage on hit and block against grounded opponents. j.B has two distinct hitboxes: a vertically large one where the magnetism effect is, and a vertically small one on his arms. Will generally whiff against crouchers up close, but not necessarily at max range.

j.C

Crimson Punisher

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
1700×2 All 15 3 16+3L -4~0 H

  • Two stage attack, if the initial arm sweep hits, his opponent is hit straight down with a hard knockdown and Tager immediately follows up with a bellyflop on the stricken opponent.
  • During the initial arm sweep, Tager is launched slightly upwards and forwards and loses all previous jumping momentum, enabling it to easily hit enemies slightly above him due to air hits, but also makes hitting it on standing opponents very tricky.
  • Can be used as a ghetto double jump to perform crossups and bait out anti-air attacks.
  • Unsafe on block, but the hitbox is deceptively large and strong in air to air exchange.
  • Cannot hit assists.


Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw

5B+C

Charged Lightning

5A+D


Skills

Atomic Collider

236A/B

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
236A 0, 3500 Air Unblockable 16 4 19 - T 4~15 H
236B 0, 3500 Air Unblockable 29 4~46 23 - T 5~34 H

236A
  • No magnetism
  • Can only grab airborne opponents
  • Moves opponent to the other side of Tager
  • Only combos into Gadget Finger
  • Has head attribute invulnerability frames 4-15

Thanks to the upper body invulnerability and deceptively large hitbox this move can occasionally be an effective anti-air, though Tager has other anti-air alternatives that do considerably more total damage. Generally speaking this move is best used at the end of a combo. Is +41 upon landing, can safejump 9+f reversals.


236B
  • Extremely attractive to airborne targets, grounded opponents will slide along the floor slowly
  • Can only grab airborne opponents
  • Hold button to extend active frames
  • Moves opponent to the other side of Tager
  • Ground bounces for further comboing
  • Has head attribute invulnerability frames 5-34
  • Can be held for 42f

Be careful as opponents who super jump will typically fly over Tager's head. Be mindful that you can be hit while pulling opponents towards you as well as during the long startup of the move.

Gigantic Tager Driver

214A

Wedge Catapult

214B

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
0×2,800 Throw 30 4 30 T 6~29 All

  • Wall Bounces, convert into a combo by linking 5A, 2B, j.A
  • Has full body invulnerability on frames 6-29

Has invulnerability and magnetism early in the move up to the point right before Tager grasps at this opponent. Be wary of very active moves as Tager is vulnerable for 1 frame before the grab hitbox is active. The damage scaling on this move is very good, allowing for some of Tager's most damaging combos upon a successful grab. While uncommon and largely impractical, it is also possible to combo grounded opponents directly into this grab via assists or counterhit 5AA and j.B.

Air Driver

j.214A/B

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
j.214A 0×3,4500 Throw 6 3 41+12L - T -
j.214B 0×3,4500 Throw 23 10 42+12L - T -

j.214A
  • No magnetism
  • Can only grab airborne opponents
  • Only combos into Gadget Finger

j.214B
  • Extremely attractive to airborne opponents
  • Grounded opponents will slide along the floor slowly
  • Can only grab airborne opponents
  • Stops all momentum when in use
  • Button can be held to extend active frames
  • Only combos into Gadget Finger
  • Can be held for 59f

Be careful when using this. Grounded opponents will have plenty of time to get under you. While opponents who super jump will usually fly overhead and can hit you as they fly by.

Gadget Finger

After certain attacks -> A/B/C

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
0×2,100 7 19 9 +5 on hit

  • 100% minimum damage

As of 1.30 update, drops the opponent just inside 214A range with Tager at a small frame advantage. This is a very strong position for Tager where in order to avoid a properly timed command grab, the opponent must buffer a jump, reversal, or backdash. Keep in mind that you can actually catch jumpsquat frames with 4A timed as early as possible, but delayed slightly 4A can also catch most backdashes while still counterhitting mashed normals.

You can also consider also using Active Switch to extend combos or for better positioning in your resets when using this to end Tager's combos.


Extra Skills

Spark Bolt

236C

EX Gigantic Tager Driver

214C

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
0×3,4200 Throw 6 2~10 33 T 1~7 T

  • Brief period of magnetism
  • Only grabs grounded opponents, but can be done mid combo
  • Only combos into Gadget Finger

Has the same startup as the A version, but as this move can be held briefly for Magnetism, it benefits from greater effective range as well as active frames, making unseeable tick throw setups considerably easier to execute without getting counterhit by mashed normals. Is +35 upon landing, allowing Tager to safejump 15f+ reversals, but only applicable on forward tech/corner.

EX Air Driver

j.214C

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
0×3,4500 Throw 6 2~35 41+12L T

  • Extremely attractive to airborne opponents
  • Grounded opponents will slide along the floor slowly
  • Can only grab airborne opponents, but can be done mid combo
  • Button can be held to extend active frames for about 1 second
  • Only combos into Gadget Finger
  • Can be held for 33f

The magnetism on this move is stronger than that of j.214B, making the move moderately more consistent at raw grabbing aerial opponents. Also of note is that this grab can be comboed into, which could be considered an option as an unburstable combo ender.

Partner Skills

5P

Sledgehammer

6P

Spark Bolt

4P

Up Spark Bolt


Distortion Skills

Magna Tech Wheel

236B+C

Genesic Emerald Tager Buster

214B+C (Air OK) 720B+C (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. AttributesAttributes this attack possesses. Some attacks are invincible to attacks of certain attributes. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
214BC 0×3, 6120
[0×3, 7120]
Throw 10+(28 Flash)+0 1~52 41 - T 1~11 All
j.214BC 0×3, 6120
[0×3, 7120]
Throw 6+(28 Flash)+0 1~38 41+12L - T 1~6 All

Ground Version
  • Extremely attractive
  • Can only grab grounded opponents
  • Invincible startup
  • Button can be held to extend active frames, though you are not invincible while doing this

If you input 720B+C instead of 214B+C, the damage of GETB will be increased by 500 (6620/7620). The range on this move is deceptively huge especially thanks to the generous magnetism during the startup, making it a powerful tool in footsies as well as a threatening reversal. Is +21 upon landing, but the opponent is placed far from Tager.


Air Version
  • Extremely attractive to airborne opponents
  • Grounded opponents will slide along the floor slowly
  • Can only grab airborne opponents
  • Stops all momentum when in use
  • Invincible startup
  • Button can be held to extend active frames

Be careful when using the air version. Grounded opponents will have plenty of time to get under you. While opponents who super jump will usually fly overhead and can hit you as they fly by. Is +21 upon landing, but the opponent is placed far from Tager.

Input 720B+C will also give you an extra 500 damage (7350/8350).

Distortion Skill Duo

Terra Break

P during Partner's Distortion Skill


Astral Heat

King of Tager

222B+C


External References

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